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FullFender Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2014 Posts: 647
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 12:09 pm Post subject: 2nd day welding |
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Hello, im 15 years old and this is my second day welding. I've attached some photos of my welds . I really admire lots of you on here who can quickly fab up whatever they to help get the job done so any advice on how to improve my welds would be mucho appreciated...to be honest I'm not even sure what welder I have...and be prepared to dumb it down because I have no idea about welding lingo..there is always room for improvement and I'm willing to learn
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9767 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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I'm 57 and started welding in high school at your age. I wish my MIG(Metal Inert Gas) welds came out that nice
Yours look a little cold. As a test get a cold chisel and a hammer. Lay the chisel under the unwelded edge of the plate and try to break it off the plate you have it welded to. If it snaps off easy. Your too cold. You can slow down your travel speed and increase the heat to get better penetration.
Most vw welding will be done on thin body and chassis metal. So as you get better with practice. Move to thinner test pieces to practice on.
Your off to a good start.
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3622 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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Those welds look really great! I'm about your age and started welding last year and mine looked terrible the first time. Like Rust Avenger said, you should try some thin steel because thats all that these new parts are made of. Probably around 20 or 22 gauge. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
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FullFender Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2014 Posts: 647
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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Thank you for the compliment rustavenger and 67ct! My uncle who works at the ship yard also said to turn the heat up a little bit..so after I did it seemed to work better and the ridges That were happening in the first pictures seemed to disappear some. Question though, when welding I notice that sometimes there is a popping noise, is that something I want to hear or no? If not is there a way to fix it?
I've heard about doing different methods as far as hatch method to circles, in the center pic I did circles and the other two I did this sorta pattern:
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theKbStockpiler Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Rust Belt
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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The best gauge to learn on is 16 to 18 gauge. It takes the least amount of amps(heat/hazards) ,cuts the easiest (cheapest),is lighter ,etcetera while keeping the learning curve as flat as possible for the beginner. That plate your welding is good for practicing with a stick welder.I would not bother with welding lap joints or fillet welds on thick metal first off because it is not going to help a beginner.Even a 250 amp machine can't do a single pass on plate unless it is gapped or the edge is beveled. It's only good for experiencing lots of amps while laying flat beads. Use that 3/16th inch steel for a top on your work bench to protect it while welding 16-18 gauge.
Your getting spatter because with MIG the metal has to be absolutely clean. That is the amount of spatter you get when fluxcore welding and not MIG. Watching the toe of the pool (the very edge of the pool where it meets the non molten part) is very important and can tell a lot of things that are going on with your welds. When your pool stops spreading OUT(within a few seconds) it will build UP so after it is as wide as it will go, move on or increase your speed.
It looks like you have your voltage adjustment right with your wire speed.
Technically with your arc movement being too slow, you preheated the piece you are welding while you are welding it. This leaves a wide bead with little penetration. This is also the reason if you keep laying beads on the same piece of metal without letting it cool down, your welder seems to have more power.It's great for filling in space but will be a weak joint. Preheating is done before you strike an arc with a gas torch so a lower amp welder can get deeper penetration,the metal starts out hot so the welder gets a head start sort of speak. If everything is within reasonable parameters for correct welding, the nozzle should be moving at about 1/4 to 3/8ths of an inch a second. If you can't set up your welder to do this ,then you can speed up or slow down your nozzle speed a little or use a technique like Pushing the puddle instead of Pulling it.
Edit: Late post: Weaving your arc is almost never needed and is going to be unnecessarily complicated for a beginner. _________________ My beetle is not competing with your beetle. I have the yellow beetle in my town. There is a red one, a green one ......
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26787 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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The first round was too cold.
Second pieces too hot, but way better too! Huge improvement.
Just a matter of settings
You'll figure it out quick.
different patterns is....not real important in itself. I've seen pros that just do a straight line on everything, and that can work if you have real good aim, and steady hand.
zig-zags and circles ect, it is handy way to do a few things.....
-A lot of joints one piece is thicker than the other, so you want to spend more time towards the thick piece, weaving and spending 2/3 of the time on the thicker piece is a handy way to get that right.
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ateneo Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 11:01 am Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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FullFender wrote: |
My uncle who works at the ship yard... |
Hi FullFender,
How I wish I could have started welding at age 15 & with an uncle/relative that is a welder to give me pointers. Unfortunately I started welding half a century after being introduced to this crazy world.
FullFender, your welds are way better than my welds when I started. With only a few brochures and youtube to guide me my learning curve was a long one. If I had to do it all over again I would have just taken a welding class in a local college. That would have saved me a lot of time doing the "trial-&-Error" method. _________________ 1966 Riviera camper Bus
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vwkirb Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2007 Posts: 812 Location: Athens, GA
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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If your planning on doing sheet metal work, you will find that much of what you have figured out on steel plates doesn't apply!
Sheet metal is tough, you don't really get lay down a nice bead all at once, especially when you start dealing with shrinkage and distortion in body panels.
I taught myself on sheet metal, and honestly its something I can do, but i'm not great.
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 6:52 am Post subject: Re: 2nd day welding |
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Starting with heavier steel does let you get comfortable with the mask and torch, sound, spatter, etc.
Thin sheet is tough, and the edge of thin sheet even more of a challenge, but from what I see you are capable of learning. When you "step up" to trying thinner stock, get some .023 wire and a matching tip, it will let you run less voltage and lessen the chance of burning through.
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