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tfelzq Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 26 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 12:16 pm Post subject: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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I purchased this Vanagon and did a total engine rebuild. The engine cover is in bad shape. As you can see in the picture, it's gotten a little too hot. Now when I put it down, some of the insulation always falls onto the engine. Do you guys have any suggestions for what to recover it with or replace it with?
Specifically, that part in the top left keeps raining down black particles.
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JudoJeff Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2013 Posts: 1179 Location: Near Springfield, MA
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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I pulled that off, and added FatMat sound deadening. Some claim it'll drip tar, I haven't seen any yet. _________________ ________________________________________
1989 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Burned up on 7/31/16.
1987 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig & Rebuilt, sold
1986 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig Sold May 10, 2021
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bluebus86 Banned
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 1488 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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I replaced my crumbling, oil-saturated foam with two 1/2 layers of dense, closed-cell EVA foam, used for fitness-room flooring: http://amzn.to/2pXmIde
Easy to cut to size and shape, and after four years has proven to be oil-resistant. Its perhaps no quieter than the original, but will not absorb oil or fuel to create a fire hazard. I suggest contact cement, as a couple other adhesives I used did not last: http://amzn.to/2qSBF4Y _________________ Camp Westfalia
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WestfaliaMike Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:59 am Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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I know this is an old thread.
I had the same issue, I replaced the oil soaked insulation with Fat Mat. The cover seems to be cooler, little less noise, and the cover is much lighter
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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Dynamat hood liner and aluminum tape, made a big difference in sound:
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pdm777 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2012 Posts: 348 Location: Clovis, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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Plastidip spray in grey is what I used.
EASY- Clean with solvent, spray.
Three years later, still looks new.
This seals up the dry crumbly bits and puts a new skin
on the foam. _________________ 1990 Westy Full Camper |
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andrewvwco Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2017 Posts: 298 Location: Estes Park colorado
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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Jeffrey Lee wrote: |
I replaced my crumbling, oil-saturated foam with two 1/2 layers of dense, closed-cell EVA foam, used for fitness-room flooring: http://amzn.to/2pXmIde
Easy to cut to size and shape, and after four years has proven to be oil-resistant. Its perhaps no quieter than the original, but will not absorb oil or fuel to create a fire hazard. I suggest contact cement, as a couple other adhesives I used did not last: http://amzn.to/2qSBF4Y |
Which size sq ft did you use? |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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You can buy a set of four 2'x2' panels at HF for somewhere around $9, which is more than enough to fit the lid. I'm thinking about using that stuff to insulate the bulkhead above the transmission. _________________ Casey--
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 1488 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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andrew163980 wrote: |
Which size sq ft did you use? |
Sorry, I don't recall how many sq. ft. I bought; I'd just measure up the cover. I used two layers of the 1/2" stuff. As you can see, like the original, I had to cut a few relief areas to clear some engine components.
Hope this helps! _________________ Camp Westfalia
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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Based on the excellent information in this thread I successfully completed my own lid re-insulation project. It really quiets things down nicely. It's not as clean looking as some of the others, but it certainly does the job.
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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Looks good. I still wonder about any foam based product being susceptible to fire vs the aluminum/ceramic/fiberglass type products.
(of course you've got a diesel, so much less danger there!) _________________ Currently:
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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Yeah, I'm a little paranoid about the foam separating and then dropping on to a hot turbo _________________ Casey--
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6833 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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I would use the Lead vinyl sound insulation foam.
Or also call mass-loaded sound insulation.
It is probably what Summit Racing sells.
Basically it is two layers of foam sandwich with a sheet of heavy vinyl in the middle. One side would be covered with an aluminized or mylar sheet.
You buy a roll of mylar tape to seal the edges.
I've done whole engine rooms using this on the walls and deckheads.
It works fairly well. Use 3M Contact spray adhesive.
The mylar facing on it protects the foam from the oil sprays and mists that comes off engines.
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Franagon Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 227 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:15 am Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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The close cell EVA foam is heat resistant enough? That is my only question. I was envisioning doing the layer of fatmat...
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nmerrill Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2014 Posts: 388 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
Looks good. I still wonder about any foam based product being susceptible to fire vs the aluminum/ceramic/fiberglass type products.
(of course you've got a diesel, so much less danger there!) |
Ditto.
I pulled a chunk of the OE foam off my old lid to increase clearance a bit, and decided to touch a lighter to it.
I was lit and burning on its own in one second flat! No oil soak either.
I can only imagine how many small engine fires lit the lid foam up to disastrous results.
I'm actually shocked VW put that foam there, and this is not something more widely talked about. Perhaps there was a flame resistant coating on there long ago?
Folks who have replaced theirs with another foam product - did you try the material with a flame test??
With the reputation vanagons have, this is no place for distinctly flammable materials, IMO.
Guess I'll have to find something good. |
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vrgruver Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: How to fix engine cover insulation? |
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The engine insulation in cars is supposed to also act as a fire smothering blanket. On cars, the plastic attachment plugs are made to melt easily with fire allowing the insulation blanket to fall onto the engine and smother the fire.
Sheets of this can be found at race shops. |
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