Liability for Tires

[Merian]

Criminal Liability, not just civil

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/35591647-75...bridge.csp


The 3 year jail sentence here was for bald tires, but it's not hard to see it happening for driving on old tires too.

Or maybe your engine fire burns somebody else...
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[SCM]

I agree with the commenter, "That's a darned short sentence for someone with a long history of drunk driving who spits in the face of the law by continuing to drive after losing his license".

As an avid bicycle commuter, I'm pretty sick of the hand slapping that negligent drivers get for killing people who chose not to use a motor to get places.
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[E1]

I agree.

Mostly on topic, many around the globe wonder just what happened here as well. I hope for their sake the driver simply screwed up, for if so we in society have to allow some grace for human errors we're all capable of:
http://m.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/39959770

But in the case at top, I have little to no sympathy.
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[Wildthings]

If the perp in Portland had been locked up for three months for every violation he would have been off the road for ten years and might have learned a lesson by now.

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[bluebus86]

On coming car turned hard left into me while riding, broke me back in three places. Driver got a ticket, and was sued, but she could keep driving, although her insurance rates probably went sky high.

If you want to murder someone, hit them with your car, and claim you didnt see them, youll get a ticket, and higher insurance premiums, but no jail time.

penalty for seriuos harming someone would be after a ban on driving, a probation period of driving a car with no seat belts nor air bags, nor doors, with a grossly detuned motor, and dragging brakes.
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[djkeev]

Maybe not the case here but.....

In my experience locally here in NJ cyclist forever cry "foul!" About cars and sharing the roadway.

BUT

They often completely overlook NJ's cyclist handbook about how to cycle on a public highway!

http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/bike/pdf/bicyclingmanual.pdf

They run STOP signs
Cycle on the wrong side of the road AGAINST traffic
They run red lights
They cycle 2, 3, 4 abreast
They cycle in "gangs" monopolizing a roadway
They come up between cars at a multilane highway stopped at an intersection to get to the front of the line, and then are in the center of a highway when traffic starts moving!
They use their cell phones while cycling!
They act like a pedestrian riding in a pedestrian crosswalk

In general they demand "we" share the road but they then go on to break almost every rule written for bicycles and get all pissy about cars.

You want the "rights" of a shared highway and avoid injury?
Follow the rules of the road like any other vehicle using it.

For example....
I'm stopped at a STOP sign intersection with my right signal on, I get a chance to go and begin to go just as a cyclist comes up on my right side blind spot, doesn't stop and makes a right turn with me (or worse yet goes straight!) Who's the idiot here!?

I respect their vulnerability on their chosen mode of transportation and don't act aggressively towards them but come on people!
Safety is mainly your responsibility accomplished by following highway rules.

Dave
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Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert

[Wellington]

Thank you Dave,
Same arrogant cyclists exist here.
Not to detract from the initial posting in any way, but cyclists today have no respect for the rules of the road.

[Wildthings]

[pablum]

FWIW, around here you don't need to be an offensive cyclist to draw the demonstrative ire and punitive tactics of the drivers: it's enough that you are on a bike.

Too, many drivers are so insulated from their environment no effort to gain their attention short of screaming seems to work to let them know another vehicle is present.

Constant eye movement seems too much to ask.
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[djkeev]

Just expressing my personal experiences here in NJ.
And yes, we have many A-hole drivers who drive without a clue about what/who is around them.

I darn near had a head on collision because of a gang of bikes taking an entire roadway on a blind turn.
I was coming at them as an impatient driver passed on a blind curve! A couple of bikers nearly bit the dust as the oncoming car swerved into them to avoid me!

Its a two way street with no driver or rider being totally innocent or at fault.

The car was an ass for passing, the bikers were asses for ignoring the law and riding 5 abreast.

I'm glad you're a good rider, I'm a good driver but we are surrounded by Those who are not either.

Dave
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert

[bobbyblack]

Let us all take a breath please.

I am a rider and a driver.

I have seen more cars/trucks doing shit things than I want to have seen. I have also been run off the road on my bike, while doing nothing to offend a vehicle. There are too many on each side who have developed disgust for the other, and that tends to be the start of a kind of line in the sand for each.

Generally speaking, as cyclist, I am angered by those other riders who are purposely riding side by side in order to force autos to go around, or worse, just have to slow to their pace as there may be no way to go around. This brings a general ire from the auto folks who have been in situations like this. I get their ire even doing nothing but riding appropriately.

On the other hand, a bicycle rider is supposed to abide by the same rules on the roads as the other vehicles. Means they pass and are passed legally as if it were any other vehicle. They are to stop at the same stops, turn with a signal, etc. I do see more cyclists break those kind of rules more often than autos. It is a very dangerous thing for all of us.

Lets just remember we all have our faults. Nobody does everything exactly right all the time.

Now, exhale.

Regarding all of those folks who have been hurt, or have died from vehicular collision, I am truly sorry, and hope that there are ways to reduce or eliminate these from happening.

To the OP, I do wish there were better ways to keep criminals from continuing their life endangering ways. I had a professor in college that once remarked the following:

"If there were a law set in place that anyone stopped for drink driving, and executed on the spot if found to be guilty of such, the rate of drink driving would immediately reach near zero"

[16CVs]

What does this have to do to do with Vanagons? This should be in the "Chit Chat" thread or over in '' Off topic " somewhere.

Stacy
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[Merian]

The OP has to do with the proclivity of many Vanagon owners to drive on unsafe tires - often too old or not rated for the load.
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[MsTaboo]

[Butcher]

I'm kinda with djkeev on this one.

Tonnage rules. As an avid bicyclist that has more money in bicycles than cars, I could care less what the rules of the road are. I'm out to protect myself. I too see all too often that cyclist believe they own the road and take advantage of it too often. As far as I'm concerned, I will stay out of a cars way and I expect for them to stay out of mine.

As long as cyclist 'own the road' they will continually frustrate a driver with a much larger object than theirs.

As far as I'm concern, until a bicyclist pays for road taxes, they should make a small foot print to allow others to pass.

If the rules were like it was when I lived in Japan, I tell you, you would get out of the way of a car.

IBTL

[Mark Evans]

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