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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

My OE exhaust began to rot away.
So I bought a replacement muffler.

Needless to say, the repro part was not the same as the OE part!
I have spent the last two weeks trying to find a fitting kit, and in the end have had to bodge fit it. Not ideal!

I have decided to fit a nice aftermarket system that will replace the cat and all the pipework.

In the UK, there is only one person that seem to make an exhaust for the triangular flanges! They cost about £350-400. But he's a one man band.

Is there anyone in the US that makes them? Surely there must be!
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

If you have a 79 California model and it's original exhaust - you can switch to the better 72-74 style system and use all of their aftermarket exhaust systems instead going forward.

To switch you will need the drivers side FEDERAL 79 heater box, to match the passenger side heater box which is already setup to accept the 72-74 style exhaust.
You will also need the tinware for that side of the motor, for the heater box connection to the heater fan.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

Bumping a previous reply.

Is this the sort of thing?

https://www.vwheritage.com/021256091m-heat-exchanger-1700-2000cc-left-hand-side

How do I know what ports I have on a 79 Cali?
Round/Oval/Square?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

you will need to look at your cylinder head to manifold connection and see if you have the 79 square manifold or the earlier "round"exhaust ports- as in the picture- the 79 took gaskets and bolted to the head flat- the pre 79 had a round copper seal deeper in the head and had the manifold as you see in the ad.

This is the latter one- notice that the manifold has the mating surface and bolt holes on the same plane- and you ad shows the mating surface and the bolt holes at different "heights " along the header.




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and as mentioned- the cabin heat intake moved - so the tin work and tube will need to be added. You can just cut a new hole in the top tin and plug the old one, but the tube will need to be replaced.[img][/img]
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

Here's the left side for square port federal 79

https://www.vwheritage.com/039256091c-heat-exchanger-left-hand-side-2000cc
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

AndyC13 wrote:
My OE exhaust began to rot away.
So I bought a replacement muffler.

Needless to say, the repro part was not the same as the OE part!
I have spent the last two weeks trying to find a fitting kit, and in the end have had to bodge fit it. Not ideal!

I have decided to fit a nice aftermarket system that will replace the cat and all the pipework.

In the UK, there is only one person that seem to make an exhaust for the triangular flanges! They cost about £350-400. But he's a one man band.

Is there anyone in the US that makes them? Surely there must be!


can you post some photos please so we may make a better assessment of what you have and need?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:

can you post some photos please so we may make a better assessment of what you have and need?


Will try and take some today.

But this is the setup I have.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

I've been told I will also likely need different heat risers.
Is that the case?

Also, two new pieces of tinwear?
Lower and rear lower engine?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

replacing the DS heat box and manifold and long cross the back tubing with just the federal heat exchanger will solve all your problems. that will put 2 identical exhaust outlets to the rear of the bus and you can then put a header and vanagon style long muffler on there or the single full width muffler on there- I'll see if I can find my other pic. you end up with a 3 piece exhaust system- (not counting the tail pipe.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

Andy - are you in a smog state?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:
Andy - are you in a smog state?


No. I'm in the UK.

No emissions tests on our old buses.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

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SGKent wrote:
Andy - are you in a smog state?


No. I'm in the UK.

No emissions tests on our old buses.


Perfect.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

williamM wrote:
replacing the DS heat box and manifold and long cross the back tubing with just the federal heat exchanger will solve all your problems. that will put 2 identical exhaust outlets to the rear of the bus and you can then put a header and vanagon style long muffler on there or the single full width muffler on there- I'll see if I can find my other pic. you end up with a 3 piece exhaust system- (not counting the tail pipe.

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Or this


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Perfect. Thanks. Hard to visualise how it would look.

My plan is to fit a Vintage Speed exhaust or something afterwards
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

If UK laws allow you to remove smog parts, you need to find a left side heat exchanger, and new muffler. That is the easiest solution. I would keep the 1979 California parts in case there ever is a need to smog the bus.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:
If UK laws allow you to remove smog parts, you need to find a left side heat exchanger, and new muffler. That is the easiest solution. I would keep the 1979 California parts in case there ever is a need to smog the bus.


Cheers very much.

The hunt is on!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Exhaust 1979 California Catalytic Converter (CAT) Delete Reply with quote

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A user recently PMed me asking this same question. I haven't done it myself, but here's what I shared with him (updated with parts in the UK as well)

Here's what some people do if they don't need to have a catalytic converter.

Purchase 79 Federal heat exchanger and use Bus Depot's complete exhaust system. This system eliminates the need for a crossover pipe as it bolts on directly to the heat exchangers.

These items would completely replace your existing setup. Not cheap, but what is for these buses?

Right heat exchanger | 039 256 092 C 1979 Calif/Federal
US - http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-039-256-092-C
UK - https://www.vwheritage.com/039256092a-heat-exchanger-right-hand-side-2000cc
UK - http://www.justkampers.com/vw-bus-parts-1968-1979/...-1979.html

Left heat exchanger | 039 256 091 C 1979 Federal
US - http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-039-256-091-C
UK - https://www.vwheritage.com/039256091c-heat-exchanger-left-hand-side-2000cc
UK - http://www.justkampers.com/vw-bus-parts-1968-1979/...-1979.html

Bus Depot exhaust system | Muffler wo/egr 071-251-053E, Tailpipe 021-251-185F, Gasket Muffler to Exchanger 025-251-261, Gasket Tailpipe 025-251-235
US - http://www.busdepot.com/071251053ek
UK - https://www.vwheritage.com/021298053-exhaust-kit-silencer-t-pipe-fitting-kit-t2-1-7-2-0
UK - http://www.justkampers.com/vw-bus-parts-1968-1979/...-1985.html

Cylinder 1 & 4 gasket | 029-256-251A
US - http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-029-256-252-2
UK - http://www.justkampers.com/vw-bus-parts-1968-1979/...-1983.html

Cylinder 2 & 3 gasket | 029-256-252A
US - http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-029-256-251-2
UK - http://www.justkampers.com/vw-bus-parts-1968-1979/...-1983.html

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

BayCreamPuff wrote:
A user recently PMed me asking this same question. I haven't done it myself, but here's what I shared with him.

Here's what some people do if they don't need to have a catalytic converter.

Purchase 79 Federal heat exchanger and use Bus Depot's complete exhaust system. This system eliminates the need for a crossover pipe as it bolts on directly to the heat exchangers.

These items would completely replace your existing setup. Not cheap, but what is for these buses?

Right heat exchanger
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-039-256-092-C

Left heat exchanger
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-039-256-091-C

Bus Depot exhaust system
http://www.busdepot.com/071251053ek

Cylinder 1 & 4 gasket
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-029-256-252-2

Cylinder 2 & 3 gasket
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-029-256-251-2


Perfect.

Thanks very much.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

Just edited it with some links for UK vendors
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

One last question before I start ordering parts...

As a fuel injected bus, I assume there is a lambda sensor?
Goes into the cat from what I remember?

Therefore, will the lambda sensor reach the hole on the Vintage Speed exhaust, which seems to be on the other side to the original cat placement.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: 1979 California Aftermarket Exhaust Reply with quote

Fear not!

Managed to find a picture from above, where I can see two holes.


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