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None of these are "performance" exhausts, if you dont mind leaving ponys on the ground then any of these will work. As far as that goes you could also just use a stock exhaust
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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The EMPI and Tri-mil are loud, the VS has an "extra quiet" option which makes it very quiet.
There is also the A-1 pea shooter muffler with the sidewinder header, but that is a pricey combo and has no preheat option.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| Its just a stock 1600, I doubt any of these would give a noticeable gain anyways. Mostly just looking to change the sound/the dinky look of the stock pea shooters. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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another option is to simply use a flared tail pipe insert, they do give a very different look and sound, even with the stock muffler.
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Projectp
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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The EMPI and Tri-mil are loud, the VS has an "extra quiet" option which makes it very quiet.
There is also the A-1 pea shooter muffler with the sidewinder header, but that is a pricey combo and has no preheat option. |
That A-1 isn't available for heater boxes, and id need to get a header additionally correct? Also need to remove the muffler to adjust the valves it looks like? Might be more trouble than its worth.
I don't mind if its a bit loud as long as it doesn't sound stupid. Watched a few videos of the tri-mil and it sounded good, though its tough to tell just by a video. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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The "hot dog" muffler sounds more like an untuned, over pressurised fart than any thing else, sorry, I dont see down grading an exhaust system just for the sound
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Projectp
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| another option is to simply use a flared tail pipe insert, they do give a very different look and sound, even with the stock muffler. |
Didn't think of that, thats a good idea. I see vintage speed makes some nice stainless tips. Since this is a stock 1600 with just dual carbs, does replacing the whole system make a negligible performance gain? If so I'd rather just replace the pea shooters as the stock exhaust on my car is actually in great shape. |
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Projectp
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| mcmscott wrote: |
| The "hot dog" muffler sounds more like an untuned, over pressurised fart than any thing else, sorry, I dont see down grading an exhaust system just for the sound |
If thats the case than that option is definitely out. Thanks for the input. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| None of these are "performance" exhausts, if you dont mind leaving ponys on the ground then any of these will work. As far as that goes you could also just use a stock exhaust |
What would you suggest? I'm going to be in the market for an exhaust for the 1776 I'm building. Dual Kadrons. I would prefer not too loud and stock exhaust exits and heater capabilities.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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Your options from worst to best for a stockish 1600:
EMPI/Tri-Mil Euro 2-Tip. Usually painted yellow inside, has chrome tips, and appears to be a glass pack. It also sucks balls.
A1 1 1/2" Sidewinder with stock exiting location.
Vintage Speed Mufflers, low dbm, good for lower performance
CSP Super Competition Exhaust - 1 1/2" primaries, twin mufflers, exits through stock locations
Ahnendorp B.A.S. Customsport SS Exhaust (item#21113) - equal length primaries, can use heater boxes
I vote for Ahnendorp. Look on their website. The pics speak for themselves!
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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4-5 years ago I went through the same decision process for my bug with a 1915 motor . I was looking to install in the standard apron cutouts , hook up to the heater box system and not have an issue with raspy exhaust note. I ended up going with the Vintage Speed Box and have been quite happy with it. The Dansk box was not available at that time. What I found is that you need compatibility between the muffler and the heater or J tube with respect to where the exhaust flange hooks to the muffler. The flange "clocking" has to match the muffler. If you consider the VS muffler I would work with John at ACN and make sure it will adapt to your heater box or J tube...just my input.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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Stock heater boxes,,= 1 3/8" exhaust at best, nothing more. Chocking 2 cylinders so you can have 2 flow more is stupid.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| Right. Stock boxes are actually smaller than 1 3/8". A lot of these European exhausts bolt-up to 1 1/2" boxes |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| Stock heater boxes,,= 1 3/8" exhaust at best, nothing more. Chocking 2 cylinders so you can have 2 flow more is stupid. |
Didn't say stock heater boxes.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| Stock heater boxes,,= 1 3/8" exhaust at best, nothing more. Chocking 2 cylinders so you can have 2 flow more is stupid. |
Didn't say stock heater boxes. |
Also didn't say "1 5/8" heater boxes" so the assumption is???
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| Stock heater boxes,,= 1 3/8" exhaust at best, nothing more. Chocking 2 cylinders so you can have 2 flow more is stupid. |
Didn't say stock heater boxes. |
Also didn't say "1 5/8" heater boxes" so the assumption is??? |
He may be willing to change them to suit the chosen system.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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| Stock heater boxes,,= 1 3/8" exhaust at best, nothing more. Chocking 2 cylinders so you can have 2 flow more is stupid. |
Didn't say stock heater boxes. |
Also didn't say "1 5/8" heater boxes" so the assumption is??? |
No assumption. You're a dick.
Basically the way it looks is the only way to keep heater boxes and have a stock exiting exhaust is to upgrade to larger heater boxes and get a CSP which puts it in the range of $1500.
Sorry for the hijack OP. Carry on.
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 4:51 am Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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Sorry for the hijack OP. Carry on. |
Don't worry about it! Keeps the conversation goin. |
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:13 am Post subject: Re: exhaust recommendation, stock tailpipe locations |
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I am running the EMPI GT on my 1600.It is a little louder than stock,but has a nice deep tone.I really like the sound of it.Actually fit as well.The large tips look cool.
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