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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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I really don't see a problem. I see a mechanic who wants a nice flowing exhaust system. We on thesamba have helped and now it's your decision what to buy. No problem here, just a decision to be made.
Maybe a PM to the OP of the 7 year old thread would produce good results. Maybe he's still running the system and loves it. _________________ __________
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1970fun Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2008 Posts: 208 Location: Holland
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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Still running and loving it, i had a vintage speed as well but these are too loud and too restrictive!
I started with a new Ernst muffler and found the 2 NOS pipes on a swapmeet.
I would go for Ernst or Leistriz as Dansk is not really a quality muffler, feel the weight between them
It even fits with a towbar, maybe i can post a sound video next week. |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6936 Location: Durango, CO
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16926 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:20 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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richparker wrote: |
I really don't see a problem. I see a mechanic who wants a nice flowing exhaust system. We on thesamba have helped and now it's your decision what to buy. No problem here, just a decision to be made.
Maybe a PM to the OP of the 7 year old thread would produce good results. Maybe he's still running the system and loves it. |
I bought this one last night from the samba classifieds
Supposed to be NOS barn find. Has surface rust so I may either have it blasted and powder coated, or I may blast it and paint it myself. Not sure if powder coating would be smart or not.
I've also sent an email to a guy selling a pair of type 3 dampers. Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and ideas. I'll try and remember to come back here to finish this off once I have everything completed by the end of summer. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:28 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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I would weld the diamond flanges on the heater boxes. you may need to clearance the mustache bar a bit. it is 100% worth the effort in my opinion. every aircooled I do gets this done _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16926 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:50 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I would weld the diamond flanges on the heater boxes. you may need to clearance the mustache bar a bit. it is 100% worth the effort in my opinion. every aircooled I do gets this done |
Don, can you explain this to me? What diamond flanges? Clearance the bar where and why? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:59 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I would weld the diamond flanges on the heater boxes. you may need to clearance the mustache bar a bit. it is 100% worth the effort in my opinion. every aircooled I do gets this done |
C'mon man, those donuts are the best engineering idea VW ever came up with..... _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:59 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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instead of using that foolish donut arrangement you weld flanges that accept the diamond ex. gaskets at the heads down on the heat exchangers
you may have to trim the seam on the moustache bar for clearance. I may have a pic somewhere.... _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: Bulli Klinik, Colorado Springs
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:13 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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I've done the same to mine in the past, but since using the wire mesh style clamps, they don't leak like the asbestos units used to. Maybe I'm just lucky. I get mine from Scat. _________________ I've never met a Bus I didn't like.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:19 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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gary, like this
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC-C10-6019 _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:52 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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aeromech wrote: |
richparker wrote: |
I really don't see a problem. I see a mechanic who wants a nice flowing exhaust system. We on thesamba have helped and now it's your decision what to buy. No problem here, just a decision to be made.
Maybe a PM to the OP of the 7 year old thread would produce good results. Maybe he's still running the system and loves it. |
I bought this one last night from the samba classifieds
Supposed to be NOS barn find. Has surface rust so I may either have it blasted and powder coated, or I may blast it and paint it myself. Not sure if powder coating would be smart or not.
I've also sent an email to a guy selling a pair of type 3 dampers. Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and ideas. I'll try and remember to come back here to finish this off once I have everything completed by the end of summer. |
Did you cross reference the part numbers? I feel like that is for earlier 1200 engines. Won't be wide enough for you. The OEM VW unit for the 13/15/1600 had VW stamps in the middle of the muffler, not on the end, and didn't have that side profile. That and NOS mufflers for the 1300+ cases I feel like dried up a loooong time ago and go for a pretty penny now, Unless you want dual heat risers, those are still out there. Hopefully I am wrong.
Also: powdercoating will burn off quickly. sandblasting and priming/painting with VHT or similar and curing OFF THE CAR in an oven per manufacurer's instructions is the best way to go outside of professional ceramic coating. IMO of course.... _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16926 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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I'm familiar with flanged heater boxes having installed an A1 Sidewinder into a 1968 bus once and I agree that they are much better. I just don't have a way to mock up and weld everything. I suppose I could have the muffler shop do it but not sure about welding the flanges onto the stock muffler side or if it's worth all the trouble. If I was buying a system and had a choice I would go with flanges instead of donuts.
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16926 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:20 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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Did you cross reference the part numbers?
I tried but didn't get anywhere. Here's a link to the ad
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2044098
Nos VW "Barn Find" muffler 1500 1600 Price: $200
Original Oval ( Rare) 1300...1500...1600...NOS muffler. ....some surface rust.....twice... as heavy as aftermarket muffers....very nice _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:34 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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go to the home page and search NOS MUFFLER under the classified box on the LH side. You will see several other muffers for bug and bus identical to that one that are listed as 40hp. One of them is wrong. Or I am wrong. Won't know till you go to fit it but I'd rather get one known to fit the 13/15/1600. For the same price you can get an Ernst or Leistritz that we know will fit.
Try Bug City, he has them.
EDIT: here's a thread where a Guy pulled a muffler off a VW powered tractor with that part number on it. looks awfully close and the engine is...yep, a 1200 single port 40hp.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103410 _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
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79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
asiab3 wrote: |
Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16926 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:31 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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ROCKOROD71 wrote: |
go to the home page and search NOS MUFFLER under the classified box on the LH side. You will see several other muffers for bug and bus identical to that one that are listed as 40hp. One of them is wrong. Or I am wrong. Won't know till you go to fit it but I'd rather get one known to fit the 13/15/1600. For the same price you can get an Ernst or Leistritz that we know will fit.
Try Bug City, he has them.
EDIT: here's a thread where a Guy pulled a muffler off a VW powered tractor with that part number on it. looks awfully close and the engine is...yep, a 1200 single port 40hp.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103410 |
The seller says he is 100% certain it's a 1600. I didn't find what you were talking about in my search. Can you send links? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13385 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:44 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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The muffler looks correct to me. What I also like is the heat riser pipe is on the driver's side of the muffler giving much more room for an insulated stove pipe. Most of the "new" mufflers (Dansk) have the heat riser on the passenger side of the muffler. The insulated stove pipes don't fit!
For the rarity of the muffler and with you living near the ocean, I'd suggest you get it ceramic coated Gary. Not cheap but it will protect the muffler for a long time. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:50 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
The muffler looks correct to me. What I also like is the heat riser pipe is on the driver's side of the muffler giving much more room for an insulated stove pipe. Most of the "new" mufflers (Dansk) have the heat riser on the passenger side of the muffler. The insulated stove pipes don't fit!
For the rarity of the muffler and with you living near the ocean, I'd suggest you get it ceramic coated Gary. Not cheap but it will protect the muffler for a long time. |
Two different stove pipes were produced to address this. There is a tech bulletin I don't have time to dig up about it. Discussed many times in the 68+ Beetle forums. _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
1977 WESTY "KrustyKamper" 2L FI
79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
asiab3 wrote: |
Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16926 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:55 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
The muffler looks correct to me. What I also like is the heat riser pipe is on the driver's side of the muffler giving much more room for an insulated stove pipe. Most of the "new" mufflers (Dansk) have the heat riser on the passenger side of the muffler. The insulated stove pipes don't fit!
For the rarity of the muffler and with you living near the ocean, I'd suggest you get it ceramic coated Gary. Not cheap but it will protect the muffler for a long time. |
I'm thinking about doing that depending on where and who does that work. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:03 am Post subject: Re: 1971 stock muffler modification? |
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Well thanks for the links but I still don't see a smoking gun. None of them showed the same part number except the tractor one and granted it had a 1200 engine, the thing was a Frankenstein monster of cobbled together parts so I'm still not convinced. The seller is measuring and will confirm before shipping. Might be Tuesday before I know but I'm not in any hurry for it right now. I appreciate your help. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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