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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

I am not sure why folks here have an obsession to use the MMO, and dump it in a short period of time.

Use it and leave it in the oil, and use it at every oil change.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

So I've randomly had lifters ticking and knocking. Sometimes I wonder if it's something more like a piston and wrist pin issue. Sometimes the knock will just last 30 seconds then will go away.

It's time for another member to experiment with some Marvel Mystery Oil, I am off to Walmart to be pick up a can. This thread will now have two people testing in the NW. I'll be running it with Shell Rotella 15-40 conventional oil.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

No testing needed, it's a time proven solution used by many.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

& often imitated, never duplicated.

It's a win, win.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
...MMO...Use it and leave it in the oil, and use it at every oil change.

x2

4 oz in every oil change & nary a peep from my lifters, ever. Cool

Do what you want...<shrug>

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

4 ounces isn't enough to do squat.

Use an entire quart per oil change.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

I drove to Walmart with the ticking and clacking sound yesterday. Sometimes the lifters are just a little noisy at start up but yesterday one of them must have been pumped down. It was giving me that sound that seems to only be cured with 20 minutes of driving. It's about a 10-15 minute trip to Walmart and the lifter was still clacking pretty good when I parked there but was a bit quieter than when I started out. I poured a full quart of Marvel in the engine then noticed there is recipe on the directions of how much to put it which recommends 20% of the oil capacity. My oil level was at the lower end of the range on the dipstick so I figured I was okay with adding a quart so it will bring it to the top of the range. I typically just fill to the middle of the dipstick range because anything above that just seems to get burned off however the oil level will hold pretty good at the mid point. Working through the marvel recipe I believe I should have added about 29 ounces of marvel to equal 20% of a WBX's oil capacity. So I am over by 3 ounces because I put in a full quart. At this point I am not worried about being 3 ounces over. When I fired the engine back up to leave it's still clacking but stops after about a minute. I can't believe that the marvel could have flushed through everything so quickly to quiet down my noisy lifter in a minute. Based on the sound it should have needed more drive time but it became quiet in about a minute. Maybe it did circulate that quickly or I just had enough run time where the lifter got pumped up. That was yesterday though, today it was quiet on start up. Sometimes it is quiet on startup so it's too early to claim success so we'll see what happens after a few weeks. I must say though I was encouraged from yesterday and today.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

I've had MMO work on new lifters in a Dodge before I got it all poured in.- so- it can work instantly. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
4 ounces isn't enough to do squat...

Bull. I've been running 4oz in every oil change for nearly a decade now & I'm convinced it's all that's
needed to keep clean lifters clean. Dirty, gummy, consistently noisy lifters would certainly benefit
from the full-quart formula, but I doubt it's necessary for the life of the van - that's all I'm sayin.

Simmer down, TK... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

dhaavers wrote:
Terry Kay wrote:
4 ounces isn't enough to do squat...

Bull. I've been running 4oz in every oil change for nearly a decade now & I'm convinced it's all that's
needed to keep clean lifters clean. Dirty, gummy, consistently noisy lifters would certainly benefit
from the full-quart formula, but I doubt it's necessary for the life of the van - that's all I'm sayin.

Simmer down, TK... Rolling Eyes

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I would tend to agree, a maintenance dose is all that should be needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

For instance;
Used one quart MMO in my 188
Mercruiser's oil since new.
I ran it 2000 hours, and it still is running.

Caddy, Olds, Pontiac had stuck lifters always in the 50's & 60's.

Quart of Marvel always cured that in no time.
Same oil capacity as the 1.9 or 2.1.

Instead of measuring 4 oz. Why not just two drops outa a eye dropper? Rolling Eyes

A thimble load would be great.

I for sure don't want to mess up your formula.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
Why not just two drops outa a eye dropper?

That's more like it..."for best results, take far beyond any logical conclusion"...

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Finally got a chanch today and threw the valve rack back in. Changed the oil to castrol gtx plus a pint (all they had) of MMO. Adjusted the valve back out and guess what?? She idles MUCH smoother, used to shake like a dog pooping fish hooks. AND I think I got just a touch of power back. Obviously the valve was to tight before and was leaking compression past.

Thanks again all!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

dhaavers wrote:
Terry Kay wrote:
Why not just two drops outa a eye dropper?

That's more like it..."for best results, take far beyond any logical conclusion"...

Laughing Laughing Laughing


What do you think the Castrol Lubrication Engineers do before applying the
black cap to each bottle of GTX?
That's right, they use an eye-dropper and put 2 cc of MMO in on top! : )
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Update on Marvel Mystery Oil usage. I've been running marvel since June 11 and no ticking or clacking on started up to report. I don't use the van everyday so it sits for a few days at a time which is when it's more prone to the lifter noise. Also our driveway has a gentle slop to it and sometimes if it's pointed downhill it is more prone to clatter. I've parked it both ways and no noise so far. I should also note I am using a Napa Gold filter which I believe is a WIX filter. I do hear a very slight knock on start up though, not sure if that's always been there and I am hearing things. In my case it seems like this stuff is working it's magic on the lifters.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Great to hear it. And the NAPA Gold is all I use these days - a superb WIX product.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Another update on Marvel. It's been about 2 weeks since I've driven our westy and it started up without any lifter noise today. After a couple weeks of sitting I usually hear a little bit of lifter noise but not today. So I am continuing to gain confidence that this stuff is really making a difference. I think the next test will come when I change oil and run straight oil without any Marvel in it. That should prove that Marvel cleaned my lifters vs. it's just quiet now because my oil is so thinned out with Marvel in there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

After a series of starting / stopping while diagnosing idle problems, I have developed a low compression (10 psi) on cylinder 4. Wild things mentioned that the waterboxer doesn't like stwrting/stopping (like I did when trying to fix idle) so I added MMO to oil and gas... drove 20 miles... and with no change in performance, I did what Dave suggested in finding out why a cylinder is low on compression. I blew air into the #4 cylinder and listened. It sounds like it is going straight down- either exhaust or ...

I'm going to adjust valve #4. My compression readings are #1- 110psi, #2- 130psi, #3- 90psi and #4- 10psi.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Adjusted #4. Turned in 1/4 turn on both after lash, and drove 30 miles. Compression was now up to 30psi. Turned each (on #4) in another 1/2 turn, took for drive, and compression on #4 returned to 10psi.

Thoughts?

I was expecting the 1/2 turn in (which took it to 3/4 turn after lash) would increase compression.

Doesn't drive any different, 1/4 or 3/4 turns in. But is more audiable (louder - more air passing by I assume) with the 3/4 turn).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bad lifter?? Reply with quote

Update on my lifter noise and Marvel experiment. Since my last post I had two startups out of many where the lifters ticked for about 2-3 seconds then were quiet. During my experiment I was running 1 quart marvel and 3 quarts dino oil 15w-40). I just dumped the oil and refilled with all dino(Shell Rotella 15w-40 and same NAPA Gold 1342 filter) and no marvel. We'll see if the lifters stay quiet.
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