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KollynnBlackpaw
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 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Right - progress!
I got it started twice, but only just barely. It wouldn't idle and would slowly rev when given gas. Very low power. Strangely, I knocked the #2 plug off while moving the dizzy when it was on - and when it got more RPM when the wire was close to the cap but not quite in yet. Not sure what this signifies.
-That could mean your plugs are fouled. We used to do that on dirt bikes to clear a fouling plug.Change the plugs to eleminate them as being the problem...
It's an 009, which I only figured out today that the rotor position is often opposite on (or so I'm told.) When facing the #3 cylinder, that seems to be TDC, but when I checked, facing the #2 cylinder was almost positively the TDC - the piston was upward, the valves looked right, everything. I may be crazy and inexperienced, though, we'll find out tomorrow.
-Ok, finding tdc might not work for you. Keeping the wires in the correct firing order 1432. Play Ring Around The Roseis with the plug wires. Have some one crank it while you turn the dist...
Getting it running took cranking it, getting it to putter just a bit again, then letting go of the key and holding down the gas to get it to barely putter to life. If no gas held, no start.
-holding the gas pedal to the floor indicates a flooded engine. If the engine is in the bus and the carb needle and seat are leaking or the float is stuck. The gas tank can gravity drain past the carb and into the engine case. Pull the dip stick and smell the oil. If it smells like gas. Fix the carb and change the oil...
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Tried ring around the rosie - nothing good. Only trys to start when 1 is toward the number 3 cylinder.
Oil is a bit gassy but not by much - likely for cranking. I'll still change it once the car shows me it'll start and needs it.
To clarify I have to hold the pedal down to keep it going. I think maybe its not getting enough air or too much fuel at once, for sure. The sparks definitely work right at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if I flood it a bit at a time from trying to crank it, but to keep it "running", the accel needs to be held. It's definitely either fuel or air at this point, from what I can tell and what I've tested.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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A leaking fuel pump diaphragm or float valve will dump fuel into the block or cylinders & flood the engine making for a hard start issue. Check the oil level to see if it's higher than it should be as this is a sign of a ruptured fuel pump diaphragm.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Can't check oil right now - no dipstick (waiting on the adapter, using a T3 block, have a block off on it right now) but dumping a little oil into a catch, it doesn't smell very gassy ad it's still an oily consistency, not thinned out much. There's definitely some gas in it but not much.
My bet is on not enough fuel at this point. At the same time, starter fluid doesn't do much for me. What's the next step?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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...There's definitely some gas in it but not much. ...
What's the next step? |
changing your oil... and fixing whatever is letting gas in your engine block. (not in that order)
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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| Change the plugs. |
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Plugs didn't help - we're swapping top end and flywheel to another motor known to be good. Only an hour's job at tops, in fact it's already done, but I don't have a 36 for the flywheel right now and have to pick one up in the morning.
While I wait - what's the most common method of removing those front mounted spares? the bolts just spin and I can't get to the back of the nose - do you have to remove the air stuff?
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Alrighty, motor runs again on the new motor, ran rough at first, adjusted valves, points gap, new plugs, and a couple spruce ups and she runs quite a bit better. Still a little rough, needs tinkering, but well enough for a sec!
Very happy to have her back. Missed it a lot!
While I tinker with her - I've decided over this 5 day weekend I'll be removing the rest of the orange, or at least what I can! I want as much of it gone as I can get off.
Still trying to figure out getting the front spare off without cutting the bolts, as I don't really want to have em jangling around in the front, as I assume they would when cut off.
Other than that, money is going toward a motor for the Bug right now. It will get up and going, the body will get fixed, and hopefully I'll find a damn panel van door! 
Every where I look, it's in Europe or UK! No panel van doors here in the US. The two I've seen won't ship, 50$ for one in NY or 500$ for a whole panel van in FL. I wish I was over there!
Edits: This was old and never submitted - oops! Been back about a week or two now. She's still a bit rough, but does have power again. Kinda sounds like a lawn mower (not from the exhaust, the actual motor) as is right now. Still way babying it.
I got the spare off, I decided screw it and just cut the bolts off. It looks TEN times better! 
More and more blue is coming out, when I get some cash together I'll buy some Marina-Blau paint and have a friend redo the stripes the best we can trace.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Alright - it's just running like a jackhammer. I get a lot of hesitation trying to take off. There's power once I take off, it runs fine at speed, but so much hesitation. I'm now trying to not drive it for a minute. I've set the valves a couple times, both at 6, then at 4, back to 6, nothing helped (heard valve clearence can cause hesitation.)
AGGHH! Just work!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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| Or check your accelerator pump on the carburetor |
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Timing had no effect and I still get a good squirt of gas when pulling the throttle. Would either be causing it to run so funky sounding? I also checked for leaks and didn't find any.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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I did also notice the fuel gauge no longer works. Occasionally if I tap it it'll go up a tiny bit, but not far.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Anyone want to buy a cursed bus?
I swear this thing just won't give me anything. I've messed with everything and nothing will just work.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Alright - I'm back to square one again. It's just low power and sounds like a leafblower. Starts up again, battery charges, etc, but still no power.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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| KollynnBlackpaw wrote: |
| Alright - I'm back to square one again. It's just low power and sounds like a leafblower. Starts up again, battery charges, etc, but still no power. |
What have you done to get to this point? What was your full tuneup? Did you run compression tests? Leak down test? do you have a timing gun? Bring us up to date with some pictures and a re-cap please.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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| KollynnBlackpaw wrote: |
| Alright - I'm back to square one again. It's just low power and sounds like a leafblower. Starts up again, battery charges, etc, but still no power. |
What have you done to get to this point? What was your full tuneup? Did you run compression tests? Leak down test? do you have a timing gun? Bring us up to date with some pictures and a re-cap please. |
Compression is perfect across the board, 100-110 on all cylinders, I've not done the leak down test as I've not got a tester for it, no timing gun. Fuel tuneup is about 3 turns on the small screw, around 4 on the big to get it to idle without dying.
I've tuned the carb multiple times both to stock settings and the current ones, valves multiple times, the fuel hose is new, which was just a part of the rebuild anyways, checked for air leaks (none found,) and done timing thoroughly multiple times, always ending up in the same spot just so it won't die at idle.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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| KollynnBlackpaw wrote: |
| Alright - I'm back to square one again. It's just low power and sounds like a leafblower. Starts up again, battery charges, etc, but still no power. |
What have you done to get to this point? What was your full tuneup? Did you run compression tests? Leak down test? do you have a timing gun? Bring us up to date with some pictures and a re-cap please. |
Compression is perfect across the board, 100-110 on all cylinders, I've not done the leak down test as I've not got a tester for it, no timing gun. Fuel tuneup is about 3 turns on the small screw, around 4 on the big to get it to idle without dying.
I've tuned the carb multiple times both to stock settings and the current ones, valves multiple times, the fuel hose is new, which was just a part of the rebuild anyways, checked for air leaks (none found,) and done timing thoroughly multiple times, always ending up in the same spot just so it won't die at idle. |
What do we know about the engine? Is this a stock Mexican engine? 1600dp? and what carb is that? 30/31? I timing gun may be worth the investment, it'll make timing a heck of a lot easier, not to mention accurate because you'll time at full advance not at idle. Have you pulled the plugs and check those yet? Make sure they aren't fouled? Have you rebuilt the old carburetor that is on the engine? junk in your carb would cause this kind of behavior as well.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Alright, we're *kinda* back on track - so she runs great now. had to retard the timing quite a bit, and I did a bit of a sin - the 3 and 4 got swapped at some point when doing timing probably. So that didn't help. But now the only issues are charging and the fan belt keeps coming off.
Charging - issue started after a new connector was put on by me, connector came off wire, wire shorted on the regulator. Wire fried, we put new wire on, new connector, havent swapped regulator. Suspect regulator (obviously,) waiting on another regulator (same, old type, not new,) or can they be rebuilt?
Belt - I swear this thing is cursed. The pulley faceplate came off the generator for the 5th or 6th time - luckily in parking lot of my work place not but .5mi away. Co worker grabbed the plate and hopefully he finds the belt too, cause they're kinda expensive. Shimmed at 3-4, tightened as a mother flipper. Belt has a small amount of play so it's not *too* tight, but the belt is tight alright.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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Alright, we're *kinda* back on track - so she runs great now. had to retard the timing quite a bit, and I did a bit of a sin - the 3 and 4 got swapped at some point when doing timing probably. So that didn't help. But now the only issues are charging and the fan belt keeps coming off.
Charging - issue started after a new connector was put on by me, connector came off wire, wire shorted on the regulator. Wire fried, we put new wire on, new connector, havent swapped regulator. Suspect regulator (obviously,) waiting on another regulator (same, old type, not new,) or can they be rebuilt?
Belt - I swear this thing is cursed. The pulley faceplate came off the generator for the 5th or 6th time - luckily in parking lot of my work place not but .5mi away. Co worker grabbed the plate and hopefully he finds the belt too, cause they're kinda expensive. Shimmed at 3-4, tightened as a mother flipper. Belt has a small amount of play so it's not *too* tight, but the belt is tight alright. |
When tightening the belt, make sure to tighten it, turn it over a time or two then re-torque. do this a few times. I have a crappy aftermarket alternator so I use my Impact drill  it works great.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Unnamed 68 Panel Bus project |
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When tightening the belt, make sure to tighten it, turn it over a time or two then re-torque. do this a few times. I have a crappy aftermarket alternator so I use my Impact drill it works great. |
Hm, I have an impact drill, too!  Maybe we'll try that today!
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