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mark.konney@alliedprintin Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2017 Posts: 28 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Brake Check |
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Morning!
I'm going to be checking the brakes on all 4 wheels of the buggy we just got.
The VIN comes back as a 1960.
I purchased a 3/4 drive breaker bar and 36mm scocket to remove the castle nut on the rear.
What is this tab that sticks out of the drum? Do I have to do something with it?
Is removing the drums a pretty straight foward job as compared to other cars? Loosen the adjusting star and pull off the drum?
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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That tab holds a oil slinger. The oil slinger was used on these older models because at some point the oil was going to seep out and the slinger keeps it off of the brakes.
Yes, back off the shoes and pull the drum after removing the castle nut. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
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vponder Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2013 Posts: 289 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Glad that question was asked I was wondering the same thing on my Sportster Thanks Joe |
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mark.konney@alliedprintin Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2017 Posts: 28 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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One other question....
I (my wife) would like to put Cragars on at some time. Can this type / year drum be purchased drilled for both VW and Chevy bolt pattern?
Thanks again! |
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5152
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Make sure you understand the amount of torque that nut needs. And how much fun it is to remove.
You can get them drilled for Ford/Chevy patterns but I don't think for VW/Chevy is available.
http://www.socalautoparts.com/product_info.php/ind...x4-p-13058 |
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4026 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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At $80.00 each plus shipping you could just as well buy some rear disc brakes with E-brake and convert for a no adjust experience on rear braking.
It takes a bit to get them right but you will love rear discs. _________________
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16754 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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What folks have done for years and still do is get wheel adapters. Yeah - some of them are crappy, but there are some better ones. Obviously having the drums properly drilled is the best. Cragars on a Manx style buggy is a classic look. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5445 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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The old wide 5 drums cannot be drilled for a smaller pattern. That large raised hub doesn't leave a flat area for a smaller pattern. You can modify later drums to fit on your axles (shorten the spline length). They are a little wider and will increase track width 15mm. The later drums have a flatter center and can be drilled for (or bought pre-drilled for) most common bolt patterns. The front brakes will be harder, I'm not aware of any drums for link pin spindles that do not have the large raised hub center. _________________
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Its much much easier to remove and properly re-torque a rear brake drum with one of these |
Agreed! Best purchase I have ever made. Unfortunately it sits idle and never used now..... |
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Frizbal Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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jspbtown wrote: |
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Its much much easier to remove and properly re-torque a rear brake drum with one of these |
Agreed! Best purchase I have ever made. Unfortunately it sits idle and never used now..... |
Well if you ever want to sell it, feel free to let a guy know |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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I'd love to find another original Kymco Torquemeister |
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mark.konney@alliedprintin Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2017 Posts: 28 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Wish I'd known about that tool! Looks like a life saver!
The right rear is not working at all and it seems like I really have to stand on the brakes for a hard stop.
Well the plan is to remove all four brake drums.
Check all the cylinders, look for leaks, and check the brakes themselves.
Just another item to check off before I bring it to DMV for inspection!
Then when I get it registerd I can start to think about new wheels and tires! |
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Big safety tip, change all rubber lines. They go bad from the inside out and can trap/block fluid. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
Best Day Ever Racing 2022 NORRA 1000 2nd in Class and first All Female team to complete the race
Everyone is gifted. Some just do not open the package.
Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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mark.konney@alliedprintin Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2017 Posts: 28 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Morning!
Okay, so right rear brake wasn't working at all during skid test in sand. I was able to remove the drum and found it's loaded with gear oil. I guess the axle seal failed.
While working on the brakes, I noticed that the bolt holding this leaf spring had worn through both shocks.... now I need new shocks!
Can someone tell me what this leaf is for? Looks like I will need to change the strap and bumper under it?
Should I keep this system?
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YDBD Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2017 Posts: 890 Location: Bavaria, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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The leaf spring is a camber stiffener, it helps with swing axles to prevent over cambering.
Swing axles can have positive/negative camber, the angle of the wheel to the side of the car, when raised or lowered. If it is raised the top of the wheel will be out further than the bottom of the wheel and can be dangerous in corners. If lowered, the bottom of the wheel is out further and both cause uneven tire wear.
I've never had one and not sure of many that use them.
Depends on your driving, on or off-road. My opinion is it is not necessary. _________________ '56 pan Dune Buggy since '69
don't live in the past...but when I did:
'67 bug
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hillmotorsports Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2014 Posts: 432 Location: Morrisburg, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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That style of "camber compensator" was a popular fix (?)...more.lime crutch....for swing axle cars like pre IRS VWs and Triumph Spitfires. The theory was that they would prevent the outside wheel from tucking under and rolling the car in a hard turn.
I personally think they were of dubious value. I think they are a great example of an old friend's idiom.... "nothing worse than a good salesman with a bad idea"
Two thoughts...
1...ditch it and drive sensibly.
2...switch to IRS and not worry about it. _________________ Rosemarie and Paul Hill
Morrisburg, Ontario
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mark.konney@alliedprintin Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2017 Posts: 28 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Can somebody tell me what size rear axle seal is used in my 1960 beetle?
I removed a 43 - 62 - 10 and NAPA says it should be a 44.5 - 62 - 10
What do you think???? |
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hillmotorsports Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2014 Posts: 432 Location: Morrisburg, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Am no expert but I would say match what you have in your hand that was removed.
The vin may not match with the trans and suspension. _________________ Rosemarie and Paul Hill
Morrisburg, Ontario
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mark.konney@alliedprintin Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2017 Posts: 28 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Brake Check |
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Well I don't understand it!!
The 44.5 - 62 - 10 replaced the 43 - 62 - 10.
Fit like a glove! Now if it only stops leaking....
Is it worth putting the oil slingers back on? Do they work? |
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