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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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Online sales are here for the duration no matter who collects the sales tax.

even if they pass laws so the locals can tax and collect from the sale. Wink


Someone is going to eventually challenge these taxes, double taxation is unconstitutional. I'm sure sites like Amazon are already paying taxes on that money. When they charge fees to sellers. taxes are coming into the fee's.
It's my opinion. Some big seller and buyers are going to make a stink eventually.


Obviously neither the Feds nor the states ever got that memo- both tax my money and always have.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

I've lived in two states now that insist you bought stuff out of state that you didn't pay enough sales tax on, on-line or otherwise. New York and Maine, I imagine there are others. NY requires you to either itemize what you bought out of state and pay the difference in sales tax, or pay an amount based on your income. You can't not pay without NY coming after you, even if you can prove you didn't buy anything out of state, NY tax law says you have to pay. You can't even challenge it in court, since "it's the law". Maine is not so bad, they just ask if you did or not, then ask you to pay an amount, again based on either what you bought, or your income, but you're not forced to pay. Maine is big on championing buying in-state, and many Mainers are rabidly proud to only buy stuff made in Maine, so it would not be wise for the state to be too zealous in collecting out of state sales tax.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

Spezialist wrote:
double taxation is unconstitutional.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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double taxation is unconstitutional.

Laughing

You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it. You buy a car & are taxed when it is purchased & then every year there after while you own it & every time you put fuel in it.

As a shop owner, I buy equipment, pay the tax on it & then the state taxes me on that equipment every year thereafter. With employees, they have to pay Social Security taxes but I have to match them.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

Funny.

Tax is actually unconstitutional. People have tried to fight it. The government has to fund themselves somehow.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

TDCTDI wrote:
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double taxation is unconstitutional.

Laughing

You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it. You buy a car & are taxed when it is purchased & then every year there after while you own it & every time you put fuel in it.

As a shop owner, I buy equipment, pay the tax on it & then the state taxes me on that equipment every year thereafter. With employees, they have to pay Social Security taxes but I have to match them.

There are easy and legal ways in California to get around that. Start a family trust.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

Watch out. They will lock the thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

Posting how to avoid government taxes in a legal manner will not get the thread locked.

If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this.


you may be surprised....

the deal with that is there is a "look back" period of about 5 years BEFORE you die....so lets say you get terminally ill and try to offload a bunch of assets, they will take a look at the remainder of the estate and then impose a penalty (some sort of calculated %) OR go after the person(s) you gifted the assets to.

it's a mess for sure but with some careful planning the check you write to the funeral home should bounce Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this.


you may be surprised....

the deal with that is there is a "look back" period of about 5 years BEFORE you die....so lets say you get terminally ill and try to offload a bunch of assets, they will take a look at the remainder of the estate and then impose a penalty (some sort of calculated %) OR go after the person(s) you gifted the assets to.

it's a mess for sure but with some careful planning the check you write to the funeral home should bounce Laughing

I have heard as much as 10 years on property.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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Posting how to avoid government taxes in a legal manner will not get the thread locked.

If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this.


The other thread was locked. It got a bit wild. I thought the same would happen to this one.

There are many legal ways to avoid paying taxes. Back in the 80's folks would dump their money into life insurance but the IRS closed that loophole. You could always pay a tax layer $250 an hour to tell you how. There are some good books on how the wealthy hide their money. You'd be amazed on some of the things they can do with it.

The easiest ways that I know of for everyday Americans are with a Roth, 401k, Sep, Ira, etc. You'll have to pay taxes on it eventually.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
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If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this.


you may be surprised....


If it was a lot of people I would be surprised since it's $5.49M per person for 2017.

General info:
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/nn/articles/Tax-Free-Gift-Limits-How-Much-Money-Can-You-Give
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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I get it at the bank, I prefer to speak with a teller then a machine anytime. Now sometime the ATM is all you have. I still do not text either.

I agree-----"texting" is evil.
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I don't get this. In the time it takes to dial a number and wait for the person to answer I could have sent the message I was trying to tell them. Plus texting eliminates the needless small talk that I have no desire to listen to.


I only text when absolutely necessary; I have a TracFone and have to click on the buttons multiple times. At least Mrs. Cusser's friend figured out how I can backspace/delete an unwanted character.

I can read texts that I receive though. I don't like the TracFone's voicemail system though.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it.

Uh, no.
As EB noted, the threshold for paying estate taxes (taxes on the deceased's estate) is $5.49 million per person (almost $11 million for a married couple). How many here reach that level?
Any assets received from an estate are not taxable to the heirs. Income from those assets would be taxable.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:47 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it.

Uh, no.
As EB noted, the threshold for paying estate taxes (taxes on the deceased's estate) is $5.49 million per person (almost $11 million for a married couple). How many here reach that level?
Any assets received from an estate are not taxable to the heirs. Income from those assets would be taxable.

Well, not most of us, but what gives the government the right to tax an inheritance that has been built up, regardless of how much it is, using money that has already been taxed? Just because they're evil rich people?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

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skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
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If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this.


you may be surprised....


If it was a lot of people I would be surprised since it's $5.49M per person for 2017.

General info:
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/nn/articles/Tax-Free-Gift-Limits-How-Much-Money-Can-You-Give


That's the lifetime amount. You can only give a small amount in comparison per year.
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Well, not most of us, but what gives the government the right to tax an inheritance that has been built up, regardless of how much it is, using money that has already been taxed? Just because they're evil rich people?


Because they have an army and you do not.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

If you own real estate, then a living trust is the way to go.

Without one, although there may be no direct tax when an heir takes possession of RE after a parent's death, when the heir goes to sell it (often immediately following inheritance), the BIG tax bill comes. The tax due will be on the capital gain which is the difference between the eventual sales price and the cost basis; the latter will be based on the prior sales price, probably many years ago and therefore MUCH lower than today's value. If the RE went up $100K and you are in a 30% tax bracket, you pay $30K. Cash. Right now.

On the other hand, with a living trust, the RE is revaluated (stepped up) at the time of death to current market value, with no tax due. So if you then sell it, there is "no" capital gain and therefore no tax. The living trust has let the increase in RE value escape any taxation!

I believe this can be true of non-RE assets, too, but usually RE is the largest portion of an inheritance with the largest tax due otherwise.

If you have any RE and children, you really have to check into this. REALLY.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
If you own real estate, then a living trust is the way to go.

Without one, although there may be no direct tax when an heir takes possession of RE after a parent's death, when the heir goes to sell it (often immediately following inheritance), the BIG tax bill comes. The tax due will be on the capital gain which is the difference between the eventual sales price and the cost basis; the latter will be based on the prior sales price, probably many years ago and therefore MUCH lower than today's value. If the RE went up $100K and you are in a 30% tax bracket, you pay $30K. Cash. Right now.

On the other hand, with a living trust, the RE is revaluated (stepped up) at the time of death to current market value, with no tax due. So if you then sell it, there is "no" capital gain and therefore no tax. The living trust has let the increase in RE value escape any taxation!

I believe this can be true of non-RE assets, too, but usually RE is the largest portion of an inheritance with the largest tax due otherwise.

If you have any RE and children, you really have to check into this. REALLY.


Partially not true. Assets received due to an inheritance get a "stepped up" basis as of the date of death of the decedent.

Example: Mom & Dad die. Their house cost them $100,000. The fair market value of the house at death is $1 million. Their sole child (and sole beneficiary) inherits the house and sells it the next day for a net $1,000,000. Tax basis to the child: $1 million. Taxable gain: $0.

Having a well written will and a trust is critically important. It makes things so much easier for the survivors. If you do not have them I suggest you get them now.
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Well, not most of us, but what gives the government the right to tax an inheritance that has been built up, regardless of how much it is, using money that has already been taxed? Just because they're evil rich people?

The right to tax? The Constitution and Federal Law.
Why inheritance taxes? They were brought in as a populist movement specifically to thwart the continuation of of a wealthy aristocracy (think: Vanderbilt. Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc.). There are plenty of legal ways to bypass inheritance taxes.
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