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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22711 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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Online sales are here for the duration no matter who collects the sales tax. |
even if they pass laws so the locals can tax and collect from the sale. |
Someone is going to eventually challenge these taxes, double taxation is unconstitutional. I'm sure sites like Amazon are already paying taxes on that money. When they charge fees to sellers. taxes are coming into the fee's.
It's my opinion. Some big seller and buyers are going to make a stink eventually. |
Obviously neither the Feds nor the states ever got that memo- both tax my money and always have. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Dan Hiebert Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2016 Posts: 169 Location: Northern Maine
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:32 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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I've lived in two states now that insist you bought stuff out of state that you didn't pay enough sales tax on, on-line or otherwise. New York and Maine, I imagine there are others. NY requires you to either itemize what you bought out of state and pay the difference in sales tax, or pay an amount based on your income. You can't not pay without NY coming after you, even if you can prove you didn't buy anything out of state, NY tax law says you have to pay. You can't even challenge it in court, since "it's the law". Maine is not so bad, they just ask if you did or not, then ask you to pay an amount, again based on either what you bought, or your income, but you're not forced to pay. Maine is big on championing buying in-state, and many Mainers are rabidly proud to only buy stuff made in Maine, so it would not be wise for the state to be too zealous in collecting out of state sales tax. |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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Spezialist wrote: |
double taxation is unconstitutional. |
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12850 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:30 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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60ragtop wrote: |
Spezialist wrote: |
double taxation is unconstitutional. |
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You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it. You buy a car & are taxed when it is purchased & then every year there after while you own it & every time you put fuel in it.
As a shop owner, I buy equipment, pay the tax on it & then the state taxes me on that equipment every year thereafter. With employees, they have to pay Social Security taxes but I have to match them. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6594 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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Funny.
Tax is actually unconstitutional. People have tried to fight it. The government has to fund themselves somehow. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Fish Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2000 Posts: 5559 Location: OB. It's beside the point.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
60ragtop wrote: |
Spezialist wrote: |
double taxation is unconstitutional. |
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You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it. You buy a car & are taxed when it is purchased & then every year there after while you own it & every time you put fuel in it.
As a shop owner, I buy equipment, pay the tax on it & then the state taxes me on that equipment every year thereafter. With employees, they have to pay Social Security taxes but I have to match them. |
There are easy and legal ways in California to get around that. Start a family trust. _________________ Prosit!
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6594 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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Watch out. They will lock the thread. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69809 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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Posting how to avoid government taxes in a legal manner will not get the thread locked.
If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this. _________________ How to Post Photos
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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EverettB wrote: |
If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this. |
you may be surprised....
the deal with that is there is a "look back" period of about 5 years BEFORE you die....so lets say you get terminally ill and try to offload a bunch of assets, they will take a look at the remainder of the estate and then impose a penalty (some sort of calculated %) OR go after the person(s) you gifted the assets to.
it's a mess for sure but with some careful planning the check you write to the funeral home should bounce _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12850 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this. |
you may be surprised....
the deal with that is there is a "look back" period of about 5 years BEFORE you die....so lets say you get terminally ill and try to offload a bunch of assets, they will take a look at the remainder of the estate and then impose a penalty (some sort of calculated %) OR go after the person(s) you gifted the assets to.
it's a mess for sure but with some careful planning the check you write to the funeral home should bounce |
I have heard as much as 10 years on property. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6594 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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EverettB wrote: |
Posting how to avoid government taxes in a legal manner will not get the thread locked.
If you want your heirs to get your money, start gifting it to them before you die.
I doubt 99.99%+ of the people on this site have enough money to hit the legal limit on doing this. |
The other thread was locked. It got a bit wild. I thought the same would happen to this one.
There are many legal ways to avoid paying taxes. Back in the 80's folks would dump their money into life insurance but the IRS closed that loophole. You could always pay a tax layer $250 an hour to tell you how. There are some good books on how the wealthy hide their money. You'd be amazed on some of the things they can do with it.
The easiest ways that I know of for everyday Americans are with a Roth, 401k, Sep, Ira, etc. You'll have to pay taxes on it eventually. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69809 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:16 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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Cali_Army_Guy wrote: |
iowegian wrote: |
gt1953 wrote: |
I get it at the bank, I prefer to speak with a teller then a machine anytime. Now sometime the ATM is all you have. I still do not text either. |
I agree-----"texting" is evil.
And, by the way, I sure miss my bagphone. |
I don't get this. In the time it takes to dial a number and wait for the person to answer I could have sent the message I was trying to tell them. Plus texting eliminates the needless small talk that I have no desire to listen to. |
I only text when absolutely necessary; I have a TracFone and have to click on the buttons multiple times. At least Mrs. Cusser's friend figured out how I can backspace/delete an unwanted character.
I can read texts that I receive though. I don't like the TracFone's voicemail system though. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2537 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:20 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it. |
Uh, no.
As EB noted, the threshold for paying estate taxes (taxes on the deceased's estate) is $5.49 million per person (almost $11 million for a married couple). How many here reach that level?
Any assets received from an estate are not taxable to the heirs. Income from those assets would be taxable. _________________ Larry in OB
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12850 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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OB Bus wrote: |
TDCTDI wrote: |
You pay tax on your earnings, the moment you buy something, you get taxed again and then, when you die, it gets taxed again when your heirs receive it. |
Uh, no.
As EB noted, the threshold for paying estate taxes (taxes on the deceased's estate) is $5.49 million per person (almost $11 million for a married couple). How many here reach that level?
Any assets received from an estate are not taxable to the heirs. Income from those assets would be taxable. |
Well, not most of us, but what gives the government the right to tax an inheritance that has been built up, regardless of how much it is, using money that has already been taxed? Just because they're evil rich people? _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6594 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:46 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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That's the lifetime amount. You can only give a small amount in comparison per year. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6594 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Well, not most of us, but what gives the government the right to tax an inheritance that has been built up, regardless of how much it is, using money that has already been taxed? Just because they're evil rich people? |
Because they have an army and you do not. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:50 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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If you own real estate, then a living trust is the way to go.
Without one, although there may be no direct tax when an heir takes possession of RE after a parent's death, when the heir goes to sell it (often immediately following inheritance), the BIG tax bill comes. The tax due will be on the capital gain which is the difference between the eventual sales price and the cost basis; the latter will be based on the prior sales price, probably many years ago and therefore MUCH lower than today's value. If the RE went up $100K and you are in a 30% tax bracket, you pay $30K. Cash. Right now.
On the other hand, with a living trust, the RE is revaluated (stepped up) at the time of death to current market value, with no tax due. So if you then sell it, there is "no" capital gain and therefore no tax. The living trust has let the increase in RE value escape any taxation!
I believe this can be true of non-RE assets, too, but usually RE is the largest portion of an inheritance with the largest tax due otherwise.
If you have any RE and children, you really have to check into this. REALLY. |
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2537 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:34 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
If you own real estate, then a living trust is the way to go.
Without one, although there may be no direct tax when an heir takes possession of RE after a parent's death, when the heir goes to sell it (often immediately following inheritance), the BIG tax bill comes. The tax due will be on the capital gain which is the difference between the eventual sales price and the cost basis; the latter will be based on the prior sales price, probably many years ago and therefore MUCH lower than today's value. If the RE went up $100K and you are in a 30% tax bracket, you pay $30K. Cash. Right now.
On the other hand, with a living trust, the RE is revaluated (stepped up) at the time of death to current market value, with no tax due. So if you then sell it, there is "no" capital gain and therefore no tax. The living trust has let the increase in RE value escape any taxation!
I believe this can be true of non-RE assets, too, but usually RE is the largest portion of an inheritance with the largest tax due otherwise.
If you have any RE and children, you really have to check into this. REALLY. |
Partially not true. Assets received due to an inheritance get a "stepped up" basis as of the date of death of the decedent.
Example: Mom & Dad die. Their house cost them $100,000. The fair market value of the house at death is $1 million. Their sole child (and sole beneficiary) inherits the house and sells it the next day for a net $1,000,000. Tax basis to the child: $1 million. Taxable gain: $0.
Having a well written will and a trust is critically important. It makes things so much easier for the survivors. If you do not have them I suggest you get them now. _________________ Larry in OB
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2537 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:38 am Post subject: Re: The end of Human Physical interaction? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Well, not most of us, but what gives the government the right to tax an inheritance that has been built up, regardless of how much it is, using money that has already been taxed? Just because they're evil rich people? |
The right to tax? The Constitution and Federal Law.
Why inheritance taxes? They were brought in as a populist movement specifically to thwart the continuation of of a wealthy aristocracy (think: Vanderbilt. Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc.). There are plenty of legal ways to bypass inheritance taxes. _________________ Larry in OB
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