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gzaharatos67 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: CO
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:08 am Post subject: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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Hi everyone,
Really odd fuel leak problem here. Never encountered this one before.
74 Camper type 4 engine, rebuilt recently and added an electronic fuel pump and new dual Weber's
Today I noticed gas dripping out of a port on the lower passenger side of the engine. I think that screw originally holds the thermostat bracket in. How in world could gas be coming out of it?
I checked my oil and it's way overfull. Doesn't smell like gas, but has to be in there.
Yesterday I was checking my blinkers and had the key on for about 15 seconds. The fuel pump was running. Could this have flooded something out?
Where should I begin?
Thanks for the help everyone. |
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gzaharatos67 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: CO
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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I just drained the oil. Ton of gas was in there. Current have a clamp on the hose from the tank. |
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pioneer1 Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2008 Posts: 2069 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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Usually that indicates a stuck needle or float in a carb _________________ "Always waiting for tomorrow ruined everything"
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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You say you installed a new electric fuel pump. The ones for carbs should put out about 3-5 psi. The ones for fuel injection put out around 40 psi. Even if you installed the correct LP pump, it's still a good idea to use a pressure regulator between the pump output and the carb inlets. Reduce the pressure to about 2-3 psi for Webers. Obviously, your carb needle valves are leaking.
So you aren't running a thermostat I guess. Looks like the boss for the cable roller is where your oily gasy mixture is coming from. Better plug that threaded hole at the very least.
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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As well as fixing whatever is filling the crankcase with fuel you should consider a safety relay for the fuel pump. It triggers and switches on the pump once the engine is cranking/running and prevents the pump from running with the key, as it seems your does now. _________________ SL |
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gzaharatos67 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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Yes I will be putting a relay in ... Unless I just go back to my mechanical pump.
I will also plug that threaded holes for sure.
It's the correct psi pump. Got it from my local VW guys here in Denver.
They also said I'd be fine not running a thermostat as long as I screwed the flaps open. I was ok doing that since I won't be using the bus much in the winter.
Ok, gonna look into stuck needle valves and see what I find. Thanks guys. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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Yes your float is likely leaking through, the carb is always subject to some fuel pressure due to high tank and gravity even when the pump isn't running, this varies by pump design. Having a fuel shut off is good as is having a Marine Anti Siphon Valve in the line between the tank and the pump.
You need to plug the hole with a bolt and soft washer. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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gzaharatos67 wrote: |
They also said I'd be fine not running a thermostat as long as I screwed the flaps open. I was ok doing that since I won't be using the bus much in the winter. |
Not having a working thermostatic system is fine if you never drive below 70°F. At below that temp you will begin to get water building up in your oil, at below 40°F the thermostat becomes very critical at keeping your oil free of water and acids. Your upper cylinder wall wear and ring wear go up markedly as water and acids builds up in the oil, while they also etch the surface of your bearings. On long down hills, say coming down the Front Range you will also build up that much more gasoline in your oil as the engine cools way off. |
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babysnakes Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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I had the problem with 34ITC's. I installed a fuel shut off solenoid similar to desertbusman (does anybody remember DBM?).
DBMs setup. |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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That's a pretty clean installation for a white boy _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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babysnakes Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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aeromech wrote: |
That's a pretty clean installation for a white boy |
That's Mike's install. Mine is based on his and nowhere near as spiffy. It does work, turn off the key and all fuel to carbs is interrupted. |
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gzaharatos67 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: CO
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Leak From Port on Engine |
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Replaced needle valves in both carbs and that seems to have taken care of it. Still a few things to do before I'm ready for the road, but this helped.
Thanks all! |
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