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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:51 pm Post subject: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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Well I,m reading that France would like to Outlaw /Prohibit/Elimimate all fuel burning vehicles by 2040 (that's 23 years away). I'm figuring others will follow suit soon enough. I remember a Dennis Quaid movie in which he pulled up to a kids party in a Shelby(?) As this was taking place a few years in the future his friend commented like?'Wow Internal combustion!, being a real rarity. So now get ready for that super efficient electric powered "antique" car of the future...or do we worry that even with electric drive they will be deemed unsafe and unroadworthy and thus outlawed except for display? On another sad note I see another article on motorcycle manufactures are worried when us older dudes eventually die off or dry up the market for Harley cruisers will go also. Geez I have my cars in mind as retirement asserts somewhere down the line...maybe not! _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12861 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
That's going to go over well, how will they pay for the new electric cars?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20160324-french-unemployment-hits-new-record _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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When the {[Electric Car]} term comes up, they are actually coal fired or coal charged. Wonder what an EMP will do to electric cars. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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Depends how far into the future you want to look. Eventually, electric will be the only practical renewable source, from solar/wind/geothermal/hydro. But by then our personal driving freedom will have been taken away by the logical (and disgusting) extension of the self driving car concept. At that point, who cares how it's powered? |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32634 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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djkeev wrote: |
Eh!
23 years? I'll be dead or seriously contemplating the option........
Dave |
My thoughts as well.
Personally, my belief is classic cars with be grandfathered in and allowed to continue to be used when the vast majority of cars on the road as self driving or electric.
We have to remember that the oil lobby is VERY powerful as is SEMA and other lobbyists in Washington that support the automotive industry. There's a LOT of talk that gas/oil will remain cheap and may even get cheaper to keep pressure on people from switching to electric cars. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51155 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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France (and thier Euro buddies) essentially killed off gasoline for aviation 30 years ago, everything has to burn diesel or jet fuel now, it's not suprising that cars will follow. But no oil fuels at all?, how will they generate power to recharge all those vehicles? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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Electric cars will never replace gasoline engines. There will never be more than 50% of the vehicles on the road electric. You have a better chance of Natural gas replacing gasoline than electric. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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Immigrate to the good ole US of A. We love oil and can't get enough of it. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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2type2 wrote: |
Well I,m reading that France would like to Outlaw /Prohibit/Elimimate all fuel burning vehicles by 2040 (that's 23 years away). |
To be more clear from what I read:
They are thinking about prohibiting the SALE of new fuel burning vehicles.
This doesn't affect older or existing vehicles. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Redneckgearhead Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2017 Posts: 113 Location: Sauk Centre, MN
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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The only thing more scarce than oil is the minerals needed to make the batteries for the EV's that would be needed to replace the ICE. The electric car has been around since the invention of the automobile, but time and again the ICE is found to be superior. The wheels are coming off the bus for the entire anthropogenic climate change and by 2040 let's hope that ruse is fully exposed. Imagine the battery it would take to power a loaded semi up a mountain pass. |
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2495 Location: high ridge, mo
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:41 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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^ the same set up used on freight trains. Big black smoke spewing diesel engine spinning a generator driving electric motors. |
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:45 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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I would never underestimate the power of corporate controlled,money worshipping government officials to make bad decisions.If there is way to get all those 'dirty'
Cars off the road while 'forcing ' the purchase of a new efficient car, it will be done.Also since the majority of auto operators today dont understand what 'to drive' actually is...well we'll be safer withl the self driving cars,?save for the fact that having some mix of driven cars that will be bullying them outta the way! Now some of u even think that the combustion engine did not add to pollution warming?? Shessh,I'm out! _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:24 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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2type2 wrote: |
I would never underestimate the power of corporate controlled,money worshipping government officials to make bad decisions.If there is way to get all those 'dirty'
Cars off the road while 'forcing ' the purchase of a new efficient car, it will be done.Also since the majority of auto operators today dont understand what 'to drive' actually is...well we'll be safer withl the self driving cars,?save for the fact that having some mix of driven cars that will be bullying them outta the way! Now some of u even think that the combustion engine did not add to pollution warming?? Shessh,I'm out! |
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pondoras box Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 1227 Location: Eerie PA
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:48 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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If we don't burn fossil fuels then the dinosaurs died in vain. _________________ Looking for anything from Hal Casey Motors out of Hamburg New York, from license plate surrounds to matchbooks.
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draginwagen Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2006 Posts: 1446 Location: Bristol,Tennnessee
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:33 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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pondoras box wrote: |
If we don't burn fossil fuels then the dinosaurs died in vain. |
That would be the best bumper sticker ever. _________________ 1964 Beetle
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:35 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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Maybe
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:19 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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Where's a good teleporter when you need one? Then we can just bypass this whole conversation. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12861 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:26 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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kawfee wrote: |
Where's a good teleporter when you need one? Then we can just bypass this whole conversation. |
I think you have your sci-fi devices confused. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 3382
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:33 am Post subject: Re: End of the road already sight for internal combustion classics? |
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You can still ride horse down the street in many towns, but the writing is on the wall for internal combustion engines. Solar "tower" installations cost 1.2 Billion per giga-watt (1/2 the cost of other types of giga-watt capable energy sources) and the fuel is free. As transmission lines expand, gas stations will go the way of buggy whips and meatloaf dinners. The engines will phase out over time, probably faster than we would like to admit..look how quickly VHS's were phased out _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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