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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
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Just curious if you have tested one yet against a worn plate with shifting issues?


Hi Mark!

I haven't tested the difference yet, since shifting issues can be coming from a number of factors, but I might very soon. I rebuilt a transmission a few months ago for a buddy that had a very worn plate, and shifting is being funkier everyday, so that would be the perfect case to try since all is new in his transmission Smile

The new plate is the exact replica of the VW one Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
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Just curious if you have tested one yet against a worn plate with shifting issues?


I mounted one a couple days ago on a cleaned valve body, and I have to say it shifts as smooth as the other transmission I have with a NOS valve body.

The plate can also fit "FF" valve bodies, just a tiny extra hole to drill that I can do for free upon request Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

Aloha all!
Additional note, the plate in the FSB valve body is the same as the FFB, just one hole is slightly smaller.
I installed my new stainless steel separation plate as the hole was still covering the castings in the halves efficiently.

FSB shiny plate below a rusty old FFB plate for easy colorful comparison.
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My new stainless steel separation plate for the valve body
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2186917

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I went for a quick test ride, no issues so far.
I will report back after more miles in a few weeks but so far so good Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

Super job! Brilliant

You will want to post to the Porsche 944/924 and older water-cooled VW forums too. Sadly many just tossed the old 010 automatics and converted to manual transmissions. A real pity as the 010/090 is a wonderful old school automatic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

your link is your ad owner link

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:26 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

Thank you, I just corrected it Smile

As for the car forums, I'm not sure they have the similar valve bodies, I know I worded on a 003 from a late Bay Window and it was rather different....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

@ALIKA T3

I've been exchanging emails after finding your vendor link. After viewing your pictures and mine, I think the FF and my "FG" (in the "TNA" tagged 010's in VW Cabriolet & A2 Golf/Jetta) are identical with 1 minor exception, the bottom right outer perimeter has 2 notches, whereas the FF has 3 notches.


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The only other changes could possibly be the orifice diameters, but I wouldn't know until I get your FF plate in my hands and can compare in person. This is my only hope at fixing this transmission, so consider another one sold! If this works out, you just increased your market quite a bit and I'd consider advertising on VWVortex as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

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I've been exchanging emails after finding your vendor link. After viewing your pictures and mine, I think the FF and my "FG" (in the "TNA" tagged 010's in VW Cabriolet & A2 Golf/Jetta) are identical with 1 minor exception, the bottom right outer perimeter has 2 notches, whereas the FF has 3 notches.


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The only other changes could possibly be the orifice diameters, but I wouldn't know until I get your FF plate in my hands and can compare in person. This is my only hope at fixing this transmission, so consider another one sold! If this works out, you just increased your market quite a bit and I'd consider advertising on VWVortex as well.


Hello!

I saw your email, thank you for taking the time to share the pictures publicly to benefit the community VW Logo

Indeed it does look like a FF model, but with a smaller hole in the same location as the FSB plate I recently discovered and posted about earlier.

That particular hole doesn`t seem to affect much as it is bigger on my plates than the aluminum cast chamber it covers but not too big as to overlap into the next chamber. Even the original plate has a hole bigger than the chamber.

You`re gonna have to drill that tiny hole circled in red and you`re set, at least theorically.

Make sure you don`t have sticky valves, once in place and oiled, they should slide easily without catching. They take a bit of wiggling to fit in the valve body, but that`s it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

The two/three notches are to indicate the application and a change from six 6mm balls to five 6mm balls and one 3mm ball.

I have used a used Porsche 944 valve body in a 1990 VW Cabriolet and a new Porsche 924/944 valve body from Germany in my Vanagon.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

AtlasShrugged wrote:
The two/three notches are to indicate the application and a change from six 6mm balls to five 6mm balls and one 3mm ball.

I have used a used Porsche 944 valve body in a 1990 VW Cabriolet and a new Porsche 924/944 valve body from Germany in my Vanagon.

The relevant service pages can be helpful: https://www.asuswebstorage.com/navigate/a/#/s/ABC780B4F7084E778CC88E4A5739FA03Y


Yes you can mount any valve body indeed, I too bought a Porsche one a few years back.

So the notches purposes are also there to tell about the balls, I never really understood that.
It's very confusing all their marks bc they only give half the info, the FF and FFB have the same balls, 5+1 for example and other different notche(s) bc of one tiny hole difference, but some notches are triangular, others square and no explanation about that :/

I guess collecting pictures will help in the long run.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

Here are pics of a FNB valve body plate from an Audi 100 a guy replaced in Germany, it was a perfect match according to him but notches are different. 087 transmission RDX code.



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

I haven't drilled the missing hole yet. In fact, I just ordered the smallest drill bit set I could find online last night, which includes the 0.7mm drill bit. However, I have done an exhaustive measurement of everything and the only variances I could find are in red, everything else is the same and should work beautifully. Not concerned with the VERY minor plate thickness. Any update on shift quality with making that hole slightly bigger (say 1mm)?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

I wouldn't go too big on the small holes, but you will notice some holes are not the exact same diameter, it's almost mon measurable with regular tools, doesn't affect anything at all but I haven't experimented personnally with a bigger hole where you are mentioning. 1mm from 0.7mm is a big increase. Holes that small must be acting like a leak upon valves moving to avoid pressure like a syringe would do, that's my guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

Have you ever made these?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

I purchased one, I have not used it yet, but it looks really good and should work fine when I do.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

I have one in our '84. No issues, and the old part/ plate def. had wear in the usual places from the balls hitting the plate over the years.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

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Have you ever made these?


Yes, it's in the classifieds, I sold dozens of them Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

For posterity, the 1991 Golf plate from a FG valve body is the same as the FF plate with the extra tiny hole (missing in the circle here)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

Hallo Alika ,
i would like to purchase a separation Plate for my 84 Vanagon /090 transmission
&010 FF Valve-Body.
im serching also for a 2th. break band-Piston

thank you
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: New A/T Valve Body Separation Plate: Stainless or Steel? Reply with quote

klauspeter wrote:
Hallo Alika ,
i would like to purchase a separation Plate for my 84 Vanagon /090 transmission
&010 FF Valve-Body.
im serching also for a 2th. break band-Piston

thank you
Klaus Peter


Hi Klaus!

the 2nd brake band and pistons can be bought directly from Cobra.
https://cobratransmission.com/VW-010-087-090-Miscellaneous-Parts?page=3

For the plate, I'll send you a private message with the info and shipping costs to Canada.
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