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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:42 pm Post subject: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Hi guys, I know that the bolt patterns are different on the early and late bays.
But what about the distance between the tubes?
Are the early same as the splits or the same as the late bays?
Thanks in advance. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1269469#1269469
cker5 wrote: |
It's not a black and white answer. I have a 70' and had the same question. I have a replacement 69' beam and it has the same bolt pattern as my 70' beam but the 69' beam is actually wider than my 70' beam. It depends when the 69' was manufactured. VW changed the production line in August each year so if the bus was manufactured after August it could fit. Keep in mind that all beam widths are not created equal, VW had special shims made to fit beams that were wider (good luck finding them). You are out of luck if the replacement beam is too short. |
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Hi Tcash,
Actually what I meant was the distance between the 2 torsion leaf tubes, not the track width.
As per this image, but this is from someone who wants to make the bolt mounting plate. |
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brettsvw Samba Member
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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okay cool thank you! |
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Tcash Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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lightice wrote: |
Are the early same as the splits or the same as the late bays?
Thanks in advance. |
Ah, the early is the same as the Bays
Tcash |
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busman78 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Not exactly, they do not directly interchange due to the mounting bolt pattern. The late beams do not come with six holes, at least I have never seen one.
70-79 the mounting bolt pattern is the same, the 70 does not have the servo bracket.
68-69 beams will bolt to 64-67 splits, upgrade the split to ball joint or down grade your bay to king pin. Drawback being the ball joint front will cause the split to have a higher ride height.
There is something about the 63 and earlier beams that is different, I do not know what that is, whether width, bolt pattern or both. |
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Tcash Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Tcash wrote: |
Are the early same as the splits or the same as the late bays?
Thanks in advance.
Ah, the early is the same as the Bays
Tcash |
lightice wrote: |
lightice wrote:Hi Tcash,
Actually what I meant was the distance between the 2 torsion leaf tubes, not the track width.
As per this image, but this is from someone who wants to make the bolt mounting plate. |
Ah, I should have quoted this post! |
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hazetguy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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busman78 wrote: |
There is something about the 63 and earlier beams that is different, I do not know what that is, whether width, bolt pattern or both. |
neither.
the trailing arms are different --63 vs 64-67, so beam bushings and/or bearings are not interchangeable, but the width and bolt patern are the same 3/55 through 67. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Okay cool thanks guys.
Conclusion:
So the tube distances are the same for 68-79.
If I want to mount the late beam to early bay, I'd need to fabricate a new mounting plate with the appropriate bolt patterns as per the CAD diagram. |
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Tcash Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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lightice wrote: |
Okay cool thanks guys.
Conclusion:
So the tube distances are the same for 68-79.
If I want to mount the late beam to early bay, I'd need to fabricate a new mounting plate with the appropriate bolt patterns as per the CAD diagram. |
Need to know what year your bus is and if it is a 69, you are going to have to measure the width of the beam you have under there and determine if it has spacers or not under the mounting plates.
Front beams
Good luck
Tcash |
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brettsvw Samba Member
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busman78 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Thanks hazetguy, always wonder about that.
brettsvw, nope, these are Type 2 beams |
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Tcash wrote: |
Need to know what year your bus is and if it is a 69, you are going to have to measure the width of the beam you have under there and determine if it has spacers or not under the mounting plates.
Front beams
Tcash |
Thanks for the link.
The beam that I intend to use for narrowing/lowering is from a late bay, but unsure which year. I'll have to measure up and follow your guide.
My original beam will be kept and stashed away in case I need it in the future.
In any case, the replacement beam would be cut and new mounting plates would be fabricated to fit.
@busman78
Brettsvw got me confused too in another thread.
@brettsvw
We are talking about bus beams, splits and bays and their mounting points and torsion leaf tube distances. |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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brettsvw wrote: |
Tcash wrote: |
lightice wrote: |
Are the early same as the splits or the same as the late bays?
Thanks in advance. |
Ah, the early is the same as the Bays
Tcash |
We are talking about type4 beams? |
Uhh, you do not mean Type 4 beams.
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brettsvw Samba Member
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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brettsvw wrote: |
I apologize for the confusion. I have read numerous threads here referring to type2 from 1972-79 as type4.
I stand corrected and will try not to confuse anyone on this matter.
Back on topic. Early Bay verse Late Bay beam tube distance. |
Some 72-79 bays have a type 4 engine, but they are still a type 2 bus aside from what's in the engine compartment. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Anyone with more dimensions for this image?
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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busman78 wrote: |
68-69 beams will bolt to 64-67 splits, upgrade the split to ball joint or down grade your bay to king pin. Drawback being the ball joint front will cause the split to have a higher ride height.
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So... someone could use the earlier beam to lower a Bay window & still have full suspension travel? _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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busman78 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Early vs late bay beam tube distance |
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Yes, it is called a downgrade to handling, for 68-69 as a bolt on, have no idea how much lower it would be, maybe somebody that has done it will pop in. |
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