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68 squareback project
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 Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:04 pm Post subject: Project is too big |
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I have a 68 squareback body needs work also new pans.after moving house and starting a new job I have no time. Anyone know a good vw shop without outrageous prices in the Portland area?
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Tram
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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What are "outrageous prices"?
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68 squareback project
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| I was quoted 3500 to replace just the pans not including the new pans price so total price with the new klassic fab would be 4300 don't get me wrong I don't mind paying for a service but damn |
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Tram
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| 68 squareback project wrote: |
| I was quoted 3500 to replace just the pans not including the new pans price so total price with the new klassic fab would be 4300 don't get me wrong I don't mind paying for a service but damn |
Yes, that seems steep, but how are the rockers and attaching metal? Can you post pics?
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68 squareback project
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Location: Vernonia oregon
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| That's what I'm saying I already know my heater channels will need replacing and that quote was just for the pans to be welded in without even viewing the condition of the car .so I know that quoted price would ride the second I drop the car off |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| 68 squareback project wrote: |
| That's what I'm saying I already know my heater channels will need replacing and that quote was just for the pans to be welded in without even viewing the condition of the car .so I know that quoted price would ride the second I drop the car off |
WOW. I'm not charging enough. Going off their quote for just doing pan halfs, the cost to do rockers/heater channels will be double that (a ton more work to do). I would expect the 3500 to include doing rockers/heater channels too. Back in 2012, I did a set of rockers/heater channels for 1500, and it took me about a week to do (had to match the paint color as well). With the body off, floors should take 3 days max. Getting the holes to match the heater channels will/would take longer though. This is actually a job where you'd want both done at the same time, so everything will line up. I only say that, as I remember someone saying the holes Gerson puts in are a little off.
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68 squareback project
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Location: Vernonia oregon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| It's a shame your not on the west coast.your work looks amazing!! |
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.65vw
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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My 2 cents is it sounds like you do not have much time to work on the squareback even if it had solid floors and everything else already fixed.
Maybe sell the squareback as is and use that money plus the money you would have spent on metal work and get a running and driving squareback.
Seeing any project sit because you have no time can be depressing. |
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Clatter
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| .65vw wrote: |
| Seeing any project sit because you have no time can be depressing. |
^^^^So Very True!^^^^
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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Nate M. in Anacortes, WA can build anything you want/can afford. Tow it up there on a tow dolly?  https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| Geez, for that price I could fly in from Hawaii, weld on the new pans and vacation for a couple weeks after that. Crazy high price! |
I'd do something like that, except I'm busy with 4 other projects at the moment. 
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.65vw
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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That is true and his prices are not sky high.
I can't weld but needed a new floor pan so I stripped the Bug as much as I could, ordered the floor pan that Nate recommended and had it shipped to him, and then towed the Bug to him.
He also able to put me in contact with a painter at a body shop across the street and then gave them the body to paint while he did the floor.
Excellent work at a decent price.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| .65vw wrote: |
That is true and his prices are not sky high.
I can't weld but needed a new floor pan so I stripped the Bug as much as I could, ordered the floor pan that Nate recommended and had it shipped to him, and then towed the Bug to him.
He also able to put me in contact with a painter at a body shop across the street and then gave them the body to paint while he did the floor.
Excellent work at a decent price. |
I think you've found your answer to your question.
Just don't let him talk you into doing a big type 4 engine and 5 speed conversion. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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68 squareback project
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Location: Vernonia oregon
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| Thanks guys I will get ahold of Nate appreciate the info |
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Clatter
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
Just don't let him talk you into doing a big type 4 engine and 5 speed conversion. |
Here I am reading this quote, in a thread titled "Project is too big",
While taking a break from sanding floorpan seams.
Oh, the irony...
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Nate M.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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Thanks for the kind words Mike & Paul.
However,. . . I closed my shop several months ago to focus on going back to school. A year ago I began college and tried to make it work with the shop open, but doing both proved to just be too much and one thing had to go. So I closed my shop, focusing on school for now and will be transitioning in a new direction.
I miss having my shop (with the space to work on cars, but I don't miss the business side of things. Change is good (at least that's what I keep telling myself).
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Clatter
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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OK, I'm going to jump in and rant for a minute,
So y'all can just click "next"..
Those of you who -could- do a set of floor pans,
(insert sound bite 'several people shuffle out of the room')
_Would_ you do them for $3500?
You have done a set before?
Uh oh. Room just got empty.
Bet you the OP is planning on rolling a complete car into a shop,
Along with a pair of Gerson complete pans,
And saying "Here, install these"..
Remember, ladies, that there is about twenty feet of continuous stitch-weld involved in properly installing a set of Gerson pans.
We aren't talking about a Bug here. Look again.
And, using your lift (And shop overhead, insurance, etc.)
You are going to weld them in overhead?
Going to grind the welds, too?
I'd be entertaining the notion of pulling the body off just to make the welding easier.
So,
No.
No thank you.
There are easier ways of getting $3500.
I'm sure Nate didn't switch careers because he was making just too damn much money,
And,
So far Tram is the only dog in this race,
And he is likely booked way out (if he would even take the job).
So the OP needs to spend $1,000 on a good welder and cutting/grinding tools,
And give his own six to eight weekends hard labor to the project.
Or you are going to have to find someone who is living out of their car,
Or a someone who considers you a charity case.
Maybe a retired old mechanic who is looking for a project..
Nobody who is actually making a living wage in the US working on cars can afford to do that job for much less than $3500..
Typing "That's a lot of money" on a keyboard is far easier than installing a complete set of pans on an assembled type 3.
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dc
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Project is too big |
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Well Said -
I was thinking the same.
Labor is VERY expensive. This summer has been a big reminder of that for my family. All four of our cars needed major repairs (including the "hobby" car - my type 3).
Years ago I had to make the decision like a lot of you to do at least some of my work - like welding.
Doing your own work isn't always an option...
Be prepared to pay for it when you can't. Even if you "know a guy" - it's amazing how quickly it adds up 
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