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hogan029 Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2014 Posts: 407
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:04 pm Post subject: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Hi All,
Just installed a new set of shoes and drums. I noticed that my orientation of my emergency brake cable was backwards compared to photos ive seen on the internet. I was wondering if it matters if the handle is in the rear or outside facing?
Here is my setup:
Here is what I see online:
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9895 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Yes it matters.
It looks like you have that shoe with the lever installed on the wrong side of the van.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16802 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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primary (short shoe) to the front, big (secondary) to the rear _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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hogan029 Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2014 Posts: 407
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Thanks for the reply. Was wondering if it mattered cause the lever seems to have the same movement in the front and rear |
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1135 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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You shouldn't be playing mechanic ,Your endangering others when guessing on repairing brakes. Taking apart things isn't being a mechanic, next time leave one side complete so you have a reference, it's easy to walk around the van and look at the other side. |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9895 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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DRIVER SIDE (left side)
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hogan029 Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2014 Posts: 407
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Thanks. The PO had them backwards. Thanks for all the help working well now! |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16802 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:45 am Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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That photo is wrong. Short shoe goes to the front _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1135 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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great photo
Last edited by Bassyaks on Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:37 am; edited 1 time in total |
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fxr Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2014 Posts: 2300 Location: Bay area CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
That photo is wrong. Short shoe goes to the front |
The Bentley shows otherwise, e.g. page 46.9, photo 46.389. As in crazyvanman's photo. The short shoe is the one with the lever on it (or should be apparently) and by necessity should be at the rear (parking brake line location). _________________ Jim Crowther
1984 1.9l EJ22 Westy Wolfsburg Edition
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9895 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Yes, my photo is of a NOS VW Factory brake service assembly, put together by VW with VW parts, sold as a complete unit. Factory parts and service documentation both show the shorter lined shoe as the one with the cable lever and that would put it in the rear position.
People used to working with older VW vans might not know that the brake cable lever comes already installed on replacement Vanagon rear shoes while on older buses you moved the lever from your old shoes to the new shoes. So while on an older bus you might choose which shoe to fit the lever to with Vanagon shoes that is already done for you.
Here is a link from Van Cafe aftermarket shoes showing a shorter lining on rear most shoe with the cable lever. In my experience the lining on some aftermarket shoes differs and may be the same length on all 4 shoes.
http://www.van-cafe.com/page_722_638/brake-shoes-p722
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4065 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Bassyaks wrote: |
great photo |
Nice post edit Now maybe the earlier one also? _________________ Currently:
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16802 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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interesting....
wonder what vw's purpose for doing that was. back in the days of yore the short shoe not only was made of a different material, but was short with an aggressive chamfer to prevent noise.
fast forward to today and different shoe material, it's really and truly *probably* a non issue....even seeing that most shoes now are equal length.
that said, for a real good drum brake job arcing the shoes is time well spent _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1135 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Shoe Orientation |
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Nice post edit Now maybe the earlier one also?[/quote] |
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