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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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A favorite sign at the fence of a rural neighbor:
"Surviving trespassers will be prosecuted" |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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KTPhil wrote: |
A favorite sign at the fence of a rural neighbor:
"Surviving trespassers will be prosecuted" |
Also seen "Trespassers will be shot survivors will be shot again" |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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KTPhil wrote: |
A favorite sign at the fence of a rural neighbor:
trespassers will be prostituted" |
there fixed it.
it was probably the mail man, ups guy or fedex chick that outed you. there is only 1 proper thing to do ....send them to my house. Im getting close to relaizing everything has to go. Im not going to last as long as the car. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11055 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:51 am Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
If the VW has been in your garage for 10 years then they would have to know somebody that worked in DMV or state agency, or they themselves do. It makes it even more complicated if they live in another state. As I said somebody could be fired for releasing your info. |
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Somebody needs fired or at least bitch slapped its wrong to give out that info. |
Agreed.. if that's what happened.. which I feel did.. based on the answers I got.
In reality.. Im sure it was a simply inquiry for the information ..but.. the snooping thing is WAY over the line..
Just for shits I Googled the VIN..
Comes right to the Samba.. because I used it once or twice on here..
Which.. anyone interweb savyy.. links my user name.. and ads.. and phone number.. and yes.. even a general location thanks to my Samba ads.
Id speculate with enough information now.. an address, name and more could be found..
I blame the Samba.. and interweb.. and .. myself for those mistakes now..
Granted.. unless someone new the VIN.. which obviously they did.. a search would have never occurred.
So.. take notes people..
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:26 am Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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I voted "line not crossed" only, and I mean ONLY, if you cannot prove he peeped in through the windows. I always look for the tell tale "hand visors" shape left when someone leans in to a window with sun glare in need of blocking.
Most of my VWs were acquired when never advertised for sale. I am always clear with folks that I did not approach their car and always go straight to the front door first. I've never approached someone where their car was concealed. Even if I KNEW they had a VW in the garage, the only time to approach is when you happen by and the door's open. I finally was able to approach an owner of a '68 GTO this way. I knew his car was there but it took roughly 12 years for me to catch him during the right day when the door was up. Patience is key. _________________
EverettB wrote: |
I wonder what the nut looks like.
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'62 L390 151, '62 L469 117, '63 L380 113, '64 L87 311, '65 L512 265, '65 L31 SO-42, '66 L360 251, '68 L30k 141, '71 L12 113, '74 ORG 181
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pondoras box Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 1218 Location: Eerie PA
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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If he was a previous owner trying to buy his car back, he could of tracked you down by talking to the guy he sold it to and so on, not that much of a stretch to successfully find your old car.
If he was casing the place he would not have left his contact info behind, like any of us he got excited about finding the car of his dreams and in his case locating his old car. In his exuberance he violated some courtesy rules.
Trespassing violation, not so much, even though its posted they would still need to be placed on trespass notice. As much as you're going to hate this next fact, everyone has to assume that they either did not see the signs, could not read the signs, or thought they were for someone else or another purpose.
Did he cross the line / lines, yeah I would say so, but from what you have gathered it doesn't seem like his intentions were malicious. Politely tell him it isn't for sale and that you will keep his number in case you change your mind, then give him one last chance to make an offer. If no deal is made tell him firmly that you do not expect to see him on the property either in person or on camera ever again without an invite. _________________ Looking for anything from Hal Casey Motors out of Hamburg New York, from license plate surrounds to matchbooks.
1961 23 Window (Bobo)
1965 11 Window (Zelda)
1965 13 Window (Lucas)
1957 Oval ragtop
1988 Cabriolet VR6 conversion
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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I still say the nicest guy in the world has some questionable friends, whose contact info you DON'T have, and who can cause you trouble. |
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scottyrocks Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2016 Posts: 2661 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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Unless you are willing to sell it, I would not engage him at all. No reply needed.
If he persists, I'd contact the police to make out a report |
You'd have to tell the hopeful buyer 'no' before you file a report. Otherwise, he is just following up on what appears to be an incomplete conversation. A simple 'not for sale' would do.
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I can't tell you how many times when stuck in traffic people will start honking their horns and yelling at me "hey, is your car for sale?" Hey, do you see a f***ing "for sale" sign on the car? No and no. |
This just seems to be a fact of life with these cars. Yesterday I was at the cemetery trimming gravesite bushes our family is paying 'perpetual care' for. One of the maintenance workers pulls up in a truck. I was expecting him to tell me not to bother, as they were going to do it. Instead he asks me if the car is for sale. I told him no, and that I'd have it the rest of my life. Yes, even in a cemetery.
As for private property practices, I never set a foot on someone else's property, even if there's open gates and no signs. If I see something interesting, I'll look from the street or sidewalk. I expect others to do the same. So yes, lines were crossed, imho, and probably legally, as well. _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
– D. Tartt, 'The Goldfinch' |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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pondoras box wrote: |
Trespassing violation, not so much, even though its posted they would still need to be placed on trespass notice. As much as you're going to hate this next fact, everyone has to assume that they either did not see the signs, could not read the signs, or thought they were for someone else or another purpose.
Did he cross the line / lines, yeah I would say so, but from what you have gathered it doesn't seem like his intentions were malicious. Politely tell him it isn't for sale and that you will keep his number in case you change your mind, then give him one last chance to make an offer. If no deal is made tell him firmly that you do not expect to see him on the property either in person or on camera ever again without an invite. |
I went through a situation a few years ago with trespassers and got specific legal advice although laws vary by state. I was told to install "Keep Out" signs within plain site and definitely on all four corners of the property. Why keep out? I asked. Because it covers all contingencies such as hiking, fishing, bird watching,etc. you get the idea because its been argued successfully before that someone disregarded the no trespassing because they were engaged in some other activity, kind of like the required warnings on a ladder. |
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6T5 square Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2005 Posts: 1083 Location: Dover, DE
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:06 am Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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my favorite-
anyone found here after dark will be found here in the morning. _________________ John
65 square 1500S (weezer) sold but always on my mind
60 beetle (Ned)
Quoting John Muir -- Open the rear boot. Get out the stool and sit down. Contemplate the air-cooled beauty before you. - How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive -- Step-By-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12848 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:08 am Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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My favorite
Here ya go ZF. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11055 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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Surprised the sign is not bullet laden.. :2gunfire:
_________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
Search "VOLKSWAGNUT" on YouTube since you cant watch a "certain" BELT change video round here
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2537 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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Our single cab is parked in the back yard but clearly visible from the street, sidewalk, alley and probably Google Earth. It is not for sale.
About a year ago a guy knocks on the door asking about it. I explain that it is not for sale. He leaves me his contact information. Three months later he is back and I explain once again that it is NFS. Two more months and he shows up once again. This time I tell him that he is bothering me and I probably would never sell to him. He gets quite offended and claims I "promised him" I would sell to him.
Goodbye buddy. _________________ Larry in OB
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
69 Westfalia and 2002 Eurovan Camper. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11055 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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I'm pretty much the same way... Once ok.. twice.. eh... next time.. you are probably out no matter what.
Snooping and peering into windows.. yeah .. you are out..
Classic Example..
I have a 62 semi done basket case ragtop sunroof sedan crammed in my cellar that will be up for sale most likely next year or so. Has not seen day light in 8 years.
An acquaintance wants it.... and I told him when I was ready to sell.. he will have first shot..
He has called twice now within the last year.. . .. and is about to be added to my do not call list.
Last time he offered to make payments for me to finish it like he wants it. ..
Yeah like I'm that stupid.. thats like the stuff seen on The Peoples Court...
I do need to thin the VW fleet not add insult to injury.
Keeping the flop top.. was always my intention.
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
Search "VOLKSWAGNUT" on YouTube since you cant watch a "certain" BELT change video round here
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12848 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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I vultured several of my vehicles this way, the Eurovan weekender that I have I initially contacted them 4 years before they sold it to me & checked in every 6 months or so. One day after about a year between check ins, I checked Clist & saw one listed, when I called I asked for directions to where it was located & realized it was the same van, I reintroduced myself & they remembered me & said that they had lost my # & they immediately pulled the ad & sold it to me.
My 68 bus, I stalked it for 15 years checking in occasionally. The owner never wanted to sell it until the last time I checked in on it & made a deal.
The key is, IMO, to be polite but not intrusive & to just sit down with them & shoot the shit with them, if you don't get the vehicle so be it, but maybe you can at least make a friend. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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Confession: my farmer neighbor had a rusty, engineless '65 Bus in his field near the creek. I'd ridden by it on horseback multiple times (which is trespassing, but no signs or fences on our side of the field). At his stand, I asked the farmer one day and he said the Bus was not his; he'd let the owner park it there 10 years before. I tracked down the owner and eventually bought it for $50.
I was later told never trespass on a farmer's field... your first warning is usually lead overhead. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12848 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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KTPhil wrote: |
your first warning is usually lead overhead. |
I just saw a sign at a business that read "Due to the increase in the cost of ammunition, no warning shots will be fired" _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4186 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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I purchased my '58 convertible that way. I lived in a gang infested neighborhood, and at a particular house that everyone said was questionable, there was this '58 bug convertible I knew of. After many attempts and intrusions, one day I finally got a nod and bought the bug. They asked me how I knew about it, and I said, I heard from someone you had a vert back there. It took two years. To volkswagnut, sorry for your loss, but get another pup, he or she will keep your house safe. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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So........how much is the '61 convertible? _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: The nerve of prior owners seeking sentiment |
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More signs:
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