Author |
Message |
iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:28 am Post subject: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
Earlier this month the 1776 engine in my bus locked up.
I did have my foot in it to from a stop getting up to 55. The engine wasn't cold or anything but it has been sitting for a few hours.
The engine has kads,009, and header, stock cam, stock oil pump. I believe its and AE case with 10mm case studs.
Anyhow I was driving and the oil light came on, as I went to pull over both lights came on . Engine spewed major oil from what looked like the flywheel area and was unable to move.
I tore it down to the short block ( I will post pics when I open that up ) and so far the oil thing I saw was this hole where an oil galley plug is? I assume its a possible cause. Even after removing p&c and flywheel engine won't turn over.
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:35 am Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
Wow. Oil galley plug must somewhere out on the road with the oil.
It sure does APPEAR that there is a crack from the oil galley upwards. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Terry Gaudet Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 399 Location: New Brunswick, Canada
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:36 am Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
The main oil galley plug fell out. It will happen but not that often. When I build engines, I always have my machinist remove the old plug, tap threads and install pipe tap metal plugs using blue locktite. This way I know it will never fall out.
Most likely, the flanged bearing close to the flywheel has welded itself to the crank. Also, the dowel pin holding this bearing is probably bent over or sheared off.
Sorry to hear about your situation. _________________ Terry Gaudet
1950 Beetle Standard
1955 Canadian Custom
1956 Kombi w/SO23 kit
1965 Kombi walkthrough
1965 Double Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:38 am Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
modok wrote: |
Wow. Oil galley plug must somewhere out on the road with the oil.
It sure does APPEAR that there is a crack from the oil galley upwards. |
good eyes on the crack didn't see that. I assumed the case was junk but now its certainly going for soda cans. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:16 am Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
might be a crack, might not be. pressure relief piston may of stuck too or got pluged up. tear it down and see whats save able. and either change crank ( more stroken) or add the missing dowels ( I would go the stroken way as it will feel a lot better when done stroken it) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
anthracitedub Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2007 Posts: 3241 Location: Michigan
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
Beware of all that yellow sealant between the case halves of your next engine as well. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
FeelthySanchez Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2011 Posts: 1349 Location: Now is that a real poncho, or a Sears poncho?
|
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
Classic fatal flaw, symptoms & visible crack 'emup #3's face.
Bummer, mate. Have 'nuther case handy? _________________
modok wrote: |
I would like if you had enough clue to communicate what you are doing. |
Ryan Tucker wrote: |
Enough clue..Whats that mean? |
OldIronSpine wrote: |
I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
|
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
yep...it's dead for sure. _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
|
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
yep...it's dead for sure. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
|
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
#2 rod is seized to crank. I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't want to deal with this case, and the crank was never anything special so I'm thinking the only things salvagable are heads,p&c, lifter/pushrods, cam and oil pump. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
|
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
I'm not sure I'd throw anything out nowadays, always end up regretting it. Case can be line-bored, crank can be reground, rod can be resized..
I guess it depends on how easy it would be for you to replace it all... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
|
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
proceed with a deep pocket that is full... but will be empty when finished. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 2745 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
|
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:02 am Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
I would seriously consider stripping it all down before giving up on it.
If it was the rod bearing that locked up then the crank bearings may not have failed.
You now have a case with one clean oil gallery.
I paid £50 for a longblock siezed up for some reason ..turned out to be full of water and pistons rusted solid. £600 later I had an engine. It provided me with a case and a crank and 4 rods. and I bought a new camshaft and pistons and cylinders . Recycled old heads from my bus engine but the heads of the longblock were nearly as good. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
1973 wooden Pacer sailing dinghy |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
|
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? |
|
|
iamdonquixote wrote: |
#2 rod is seized to crank. I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't want to deal with this case, and the crank was never anything special so I'm thinking the only things salvagable are heads,p&c, lifter/pushrods, cam and oil pump. |
If you were to, say, go with a DPR or DMS crank, for example, I think your existing crank would satisfy a core requirement...they're gonna be welding and grinding on it anyway...German is German.
If you confirmed that as a crack going through the web and up the backside of the #3 spigot, then yeah, the case is probably done. But I tend to agree with mikedjames regarding some salvageability. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|