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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:28 am    Post subject: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

Earlier this month the 1776 engine in my bus locked up.
I did have my foot in it to from a stop getting up to 55. The engine wasn't cold or anything but it has been sitting for a few hours.
The engine has kads,009, and header, stock cam, stock oil pump. I believe its and AE case with 10mm case studs.

Anyhow I was driving and the oil light came on, as I went to pull over both lights came on Sad. Engine spewed major oil from what looked like the flywheel area and was unable to move.

I tore it down to the short block ( I will post pics when I open that up ) and so far the oil thing I saw was this hole where an oil galley plug is? I assume its a possible cause. Even after removing p&c and flywheel engine won't turn over.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

Wow. Oil galley plug must somewhere out on the road with the oil. Shocked
It sure does APPEAR that there is a crack from the oil galley upwards.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

The main oil galley plug fell out. It will happen but not that often. When I build engines, I always have my machinist remove the old plug, tap threads and install pipe tap metal plugs using blue locktite. This way I know it will never fall out.

Most likely, the flanged bearing close to the flywheel has welded itself to the crank. Also, the dowel pin holding this bearing is probably bent over or sheared off.

Sorry to hear about your situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:38 am    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

modok wrote:
Wow. Oil galley plug must somewhere out on the road with the oil. Shocked
It sure does APPEAR that there is a crack from the oil galley upwards.


good eyes on the crack didn't see that. I assumed the case was junk but now its certainly going for soda cans.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

might be a crack, might not be. pressure relief piston may of stuck too or got pluged up. tear it down and see whats save able. and either change crank ( more stroken) or add the missing dowels Shocked Wink ( I would go the stroken way as it will feel a lot better when done stroken it)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

Beware of all that yellow sealant between the case halves of your next engine as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

Classic fatal flaw, symptoms & visible crack 'emup #3's face.
Bummer, mate. Have 'nuther case handy?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

Shocked

yep...it's dead for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
Shocked

yep...it's dead for sure.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

#2 rod is seized to crank. I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't want to deal with this case, and the crank was never anything special so I'm thinking the only things salvagable are heads,p&c, lifter/pushrods, cam and oil pump.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

I'm not sure I'd throw anything out nowadays, always end up regretting it. Case can be line-bored, crank can be reground, rod can be resized..

I guess it depends on how easy it would be for you to replace it all...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

proceed with a deep pocket that is full... but will be empty when finished.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

I would seriously consider stripping it all down before giving up on it.
If it was the rod bearing that locked up then the crank bearings may not have failed.
You now have a case with one clean oil gallery.

I paid £50 for a longblock siezed up for some reason ..turned out to be full of water and pistons rusted solid. £600 later I had an engine. It provided me with a case and a crank and 4 rods. and I bought a new camshaft and pistons and cylinders . Recycled old heads from my bus engine but the heads of the longblock were nearly as good.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: engine locked up lost oil - can you see anything wrong ? Reply with quote

iamdonquixote wrote:
#2 rod is seized to crank. I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't want to deal with this case, and the crank was never anything special so I'm thinking the only things salvagable are heads,p&c, lifter/pushrods, cam and oil pump.

If you were to, say, go with a DPR or DMS crank, for example, I think your existing crank would satisfy a core requirement...they're gonna be welding and grinding on it anyway...German is German.

If you confirmed that as a crack going through the web and up the backside of the #3 spigot, then yeah, the case is probably done. But I tend to agree with mikedjames regarding some salvageability.
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