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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:02 am Post subject: SOLVED: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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Van ran short trip just fine last night - went to fill it up. This morning it won't start. Engine cranks, some white smoke comes out of exhaust, but no start. It is not uncommon to see some white smoke on really cold mornings but surprising in August. Good voltage. Normally park van level, but this time nose up? Double checked I put the right fuel in -- pretty sure that's not the problem.
Any ideas where to start? _________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee
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randolph57 Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2014 Posts: 36 Location: plymouth,uk
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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Typically it will be
1) 50 amp fuse link in engine bay has blown
2)glow plug relay defective
3)glow plugs defective
Go with the fuseable link as its a quick visual check once you have the box open in engine bay. others require multimeter/extra investigation. |
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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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randolph57 wrote: |
Typically it will be
1) 50 amp fuse link in engine bay has blown
2)glow plug relay defective
3)glow plugs defective
Go with the fuseable link as its a quick visual check once you have the box open in engine bay. others require multimeter/extra investigation. |
Thanks Randolph - where in the bay is the fuse link located in the bay in a diesel? _________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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Key on check for power at the fuel cutoff solenoid valve on the pump. In warmer ambient temps, the glow plug circuit is not so important on engines with good compression. On an engine with some wear, it depends more on the glowplugs to start. Glowplugs tend to burn out 1 by 1. You may have been down to one good plug and it died last time you started it. If you have access to an inductive amp meter, you can measure the amps from the relay to the glowplug busbar. Key on, the amp meter will show well over 50 amps momentarily, but should settle out at 36 amps. 9 amps for each glow plug. If you have 27 amps, one plug is dead, 18 amps 2 plugs are dead and so on.
You also need to check the clear fuel supply line to the pump for bubbles. You mentioned parking on a non level surface. You may have lost the pump prime. Normally that does not happen, but watching the supply line will give you an indication that the fuel is moving.
If it has lost prime, you can crack the 4 fuel lines at the injector with a 17 mm wrench. Have someone crank the engine while you watch the injectors. The air gets expelled and you will see fuel spurting up past the fitting. Lock the lines down and it should start.
Also, take the fuel cap off and smell in there. If somehow you got gasoline, the smell should be obvious. _________________ ☮️ |
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randolph57 Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2014 Posts: 36 Location: plymouth,uk
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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As mark says above^^^^ but all mentioned are possible. black fuse box/relay housing and snakes wiring are located left front side (usually) of engine bay standing at the rear-clip cover fuse link secured by two phillips head screws. |
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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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Is this it? Looks like the link is broken.
This doesn't prevent the starter from cranking only power to the glow plug relay, or also the pump?
Anyone have a part # for that? -- looks like N0171251 ?
_________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee |
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jerrydog411 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2009 Posts: 388 Location: North Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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sphet. I just pm'd you
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 1488 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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That's the one, and yours looks bad.
Here you go:
https://www.partsplaceinc.com/vw-glow-plug-fuse-3590.html/
These are prone to stress/vibration cracking, so buy a few.
In the interim, you can simply direct-wire those two connectors with a small-gauge wire, but like replacing a household fuse with a penny, this is not a safe long-term solution.
This fuse only protects the glow-system buss bar, and will not affect the starter, fuel supply, or anything else. _________________ Camp Westfalia
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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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Thanks so much to all of you for your help. I jumped the fuse and it started fine. I will get it started and drive to the parts shop. I think you all have saved my last-of-the-summer weekend vacation! _________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee |
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Mike Robinson Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2010 Posts: 386 Location: Nanaimo BC Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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That was good.
Crisis over in 1.5 hours.
Well done the Samba!
M
'82 Westy Diesel AAZ |
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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Help: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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Mike Robinson wrote: |
That was good.
Crisis over in 1.5 hours.
Well done the Samba!
M
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Yes! So glad this community is here and so helpful! _________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee |
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Mike Robinson Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2010 Posts: 386 Location: Nanaimo BC Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:09 am Post subject: Re: SOLVED: 1982 diesel won't start trying to leave Vancouver, BC |
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I have a 1.6NA parts engine in Nanaimo if you want anything off it. The pump was good, head newish, I have a k&n filter.
Pm me if you want anything, it needs to be out of my garage soon.
M |
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