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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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nlorntson wrote: |
How will you protect the battery box from the elements and heat? |
The photo's show a prototype rack system that will be located inside a steel battery box. The rack provides core strength and the box is sealed to provide protection from the elements.
The battery boxes will use a liquid heating/cooling system. We will undertake some air flow measurements before deciding on the final location of the radiators. One tidy option would be to locate the radiators in the chambers we have created above the wheel arches, drawing air in through the traditional side vents and exhausting through new vents located behind the rear wheels. |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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That's going to be one seriously badass bus! Will there be a bolt on path to convert any Early ('71) Baywindow bus? _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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aggri1 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2006 Posts: 380 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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Was wondering how you'd deal with battery cooling. Interesting to see how it all fits.
Always thought there'd be loads of space underfloor in a bus for batteries but with the various tubes and things going through...
I've a belly-pan bus (double-door) which may or may not make something like this easier. Probably harder, were I to keep the belly pans since they slope up towards the sides of the vehicle and might restrict battery module height. But would provide protection. Figured I'd cut access hatches in the floor, so batteries are accessible from above.
Thanks for sharing, very interesting. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69827 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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aggri1 wrote: |
Always thought there'd be loads of space underfloor in a bus for batteries but with the various tubes and things going through...
I've a belly-pan bus (double-door) which may or may not make something like this easier. Probably harder, were I to keep the belly pans since they slope up towards the sides of the vehicle and might restrict battery module height. But would provide protection. Figured I'd cut access hatches in the floor, so batteries are accessible from above. |
I believe this is what the guy with the electric 23-Window did. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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TomWesty wrote: |
Will there be a bolt on path to convert any Early ('71) Baywindow bus? |
We have removed one panel from the split to give us more access while developing the motor mounts and rear battery box. Apart from that it looks as if everything else will bolt in if you're using the Red 9 IRS on the Bay
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:09 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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aggri1 wrote: |
Always thought there'd be loads of space underfloor in a bus for batteries but with the various tubes and things going through... |
We're fitting eight battery modules under the floor between the main rails. It's a tight fit and the double layer height is a problem that we are currently working on
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I've a belly-pan bus (double-door) which may or may not make something like this easier. Probably harder, were I to keep the belly pans since they slope up towards the sides of the vehicle and might restrict battery module height. But would provide protection. |
I will fit belly pans in the hope it improves aerodynamics and provide another layer of protection to the battery box.
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Figured I'd cut access hatches in the floor, so batteries are accessible from above. |
I'm trying to limit the cuts we make to the bus. Battery technology is improving so fast that within a few years we will need half the volume of today's batteries
aggri1 wrote: |
Thanks for sharing, very interesting. |
np, it's a great project |
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:18 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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We put the motor back in the bus today and checked clearances ready for the driveshaft fabrication
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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EverettB wrote: |
I believe this is what the guy with the electric 23-Window did. |
That's correct, Jehu Garcia (here) experimented with batteries in the floor but the capacity was severely limited unfortunately
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7050 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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yeah, i think jehu is going to make the switch to Tesla modules as well. I bet there will be a video on his youtube channel. He spends a lot of time at EV west these days _________________ regards
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:59 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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Porsche wheels
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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I spent some time reviewing the weight of the Bus conversion today;
The original bus weighed 1036kg (2285lbs).
Removing the ICE, Gearbox, Fuel Tank, and replacing the front/rear suspension with Red 9 resulted in the bus weighing 852kg (1878lbs).
Installing the Tesla Drive Unit, 4 Tesla Battery Modules and rear battery rack resulted in the bus weighing 1046kg (2306lbs).
Now for another 8 Tesla Battery Modules (200kg / 440lbs), 2 Battery Boxes (TBD), and a bunch of electronics (TBD).
While heavy, it looks as if my 1500kg (3300lbs) kerb weight target is achievable (same as a Nissan Leaf), while leaving 570kg (1250lbs) for payload
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:58 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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Carefully removing a redundant tab on the Tesla drive unit allows a bolt on IRS and ~350HP motor upgrade without cutting the bus
I'll try and record a video next week
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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We've been playing with radiator ideas... here's a 380mm x 280mm x 60mm mockup in the 'cooling cabinet' that we're creating on each side of the bus... we'll use these to get the bus moving and then revisit once we know more about airflow and cooling requirements
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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The Tesla drive unit mounting system has been extended to include the rear torsion tube
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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What does this gain? |
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mandraks Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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sturdier perhaps? we are going from a 50 horse to a 350 horse motor. _________________ regards
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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mandraks wrote: |
sturdier perhaps? we are going from a 50 horse to a 350 horse motor. |
Exactly, we have more than 330 Nm torque (243 ft/lb) at ~0mph |
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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My open source inverter controller turned up today... not long until we start spinning the wheels
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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Kevin Sharpe wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
sturdier perhaps? we are going from a 50 horse to a 350 horse motor. |
Exactly, we have more than 330 Nm torque (243 ft/lb) at ~0mph |
and plenty of electrical energy to power a stereo making a 'vroom vroom' sound. _________________ .ssS! |
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Kevin Sharpe Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: Re: ICE Breaker - converting a 1967 split to electric drive |
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Abscate wrote: |
and plenty of electrical energy to power a stereo making a 'vroom vroom' sound. |
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