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KentABQ Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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I'm not a distributor know-it-all... but I don't see how a quarter would have fit down that little hole. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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That is the spring. |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4518 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Loosen the a few of the 8mm case nuts (13mm socket/wrench) above and below the oil pump, that will take the tension off the pump housing, should easily pry out. |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4518 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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This is going to sound to simple but look at the bottom of the distributor drive, carefully. I once spent an hour sweeping the floor with a magnet, then probing the case, removing the oil pump searching for the washer, turned out it was stuck to the bottom of the drive gear right where it was suppose to be, oil suction made it one with the drive. |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Maybe it fell into the oil screen? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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turn the drive gear over and look closely at the bottom.
Yes that is the spring. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12688 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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SGKent wrote: |
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Bentley and Wilson are vague in this regard |
Bentley - "the two shim washers that are under the under the shaft on single-carburetor engines or the single spacer washer that is under the shaft on dual-carburetor engines." then it goes on what the thicknesses should be for good ones etc. and mentions dual carb and FI are the same. |
I think I'm being argumentative because Bentley only discusses new engines, or dealer-quality parts and labor in 1979, but Wilson also considers that engines wear out and must be inspected before taking the best course of action for each individual owner.
Tom Wilson, on page 119 wrote: |
Adjust the clearance by changing shims. You can install any number of shims of different thicknesses to get the desired clearance as long as you have at least two shims in Type 1-3 engines and one in Type 4s. |
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Andrew, the important thing here is that we make sure you do not have a loose washer in the cam gear well of your case.
Gary, only liquids and tiny particles can get out of the cam gear well into the main sump. Check out the top right picture on page 123 of Wilson's book. It's dimensionally different but theoretically the same as a Type 1 as far as this discussion is concerned.
https://books.google.com/books?id=pGhO-375iG0C&...mp;f=false
Andrew, again, see the photo on the top left of page 123 in that link? That's the angle you will want to orient your case on the engine stand. Once there, tap the bottom of the case with a leather or rubber mallet a few dozen times to convince the washer, (if it's in there) to slide to the left. Then the magnet on a string should help you out, (if it's in there.)
Let us know if Pelican Parts can't come through with a washer. In the mean time, stuff a rag down the hole, then tape it shut, and get on with your cleaning. Clock is ticking until October!
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andrewtf Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2011 Posts: 602 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:54 am Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Well -maybe we can close this one out.
While I cannot claim success for my mechanical skills (which is obvious due to the mere existence of this thread) I can claim success for finding that damn washer.
I did a more careful examination of the crap the drive gear fell into, this time actually unfolding each of the gazillion grime and oil soaked paper towels and that little sucker was in there. I hope I never have to do that again! I'm mostly happy to know that it is not rolling around in my engine case.
Now it's time for that lottery ticket. Maybe not a mega-millions - but at least a scratch off.
So tune in again in a couple of weeks when I can't manage to get the drive gear back in properly and need some more wisdom thrown my way.
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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andrewtf Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2011 Posts: 602 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:02 am Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Thanks Tcash - I already had that one bookmarked _________________ '75 Riviera - 'BIG EMMA' (Pan American highway trip paused for a make over)
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Good Job. That probably only happens once in 10,000 rebuilds but it has to happen to someone. Losing track of that washer/shims etc., is probably the biggest fear many of us have when pulling that drive gear. It is such a tiny part but it can cause so much damage.
When you go to put it back in, put a dab of grease on it. Slide it onto a long screwdriver and hold it from dropping with your finger. Then put the screwdriver tip into the hole where the bottom of the drive gear goes. Let it fall, but it can't fall into the well because of the screwdriver tip in the hole. Use another screwdriver to center it and mash it down where the grease holds it, then put your gear in. That is better than using grease to stick it to the bottom of the gear. Make sure you are at TDC on the firing stoke before you put it in. You can tell that by how the valves are. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3790 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Another sure-fire way to avoid dropping it errantly: like Steve Kent said, but instead of a screwdriver, use a 12" piece of straight wire coat hanger (or welding rod wire), feed it down into the drive bore, THEN drop your washer right over the top of that wire, and down it goes.
Before pulling the wire out, reach in with another thin wire, and gently tap it around the perimeter to "stick" it to the land. |
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CarlosZ Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2016 Posts: 319 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Use a wooden chopstick. It'll work to guide the spacer. Tap the chop stick into the hole where the spring goes to lift and guide the gear in place. Make sure to not lift the gear too much as to not let the spacer fall. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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CarlosZ wrote: |
Use a wooden chopstick. It'll work to guide the spacer. Tap the chop stick into the hole where the spring goes to lift and guide the gear in place. Make sure to not lift the gear too much as to not let the spacer fall. |
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TPG Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2017 Posts: 1 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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I'm in need of a Distributor Drive Pinion Washer P/N 021 105 235. If anyone has one and willing to let it go please let me Know
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12688 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:20 am Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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TPG wrote: |
I'm in need of a Distributor Drive Pinion Washer P/N 021 105 235. If anyone has one and willing to let it go please let me Know
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TPG |
Hi there, and welcome. Have you tried calling Pelican Oarts and asking them? Phone number is posted in this thread..
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50260
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:12 am Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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asiab3 wrote: |
TPG wrote: |
I'm in need of a Distributor Drive Pinion Washer P/N 021 105 235. If anyone has one and willing to let it go please let me Know
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TPG |
Hi there, and welcome. Have you tried calling Pelican Oarts and asking them? Phone number is posted in this thread..
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:49 am Post subject: Re: distributor drive gear installation questions |
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Wildthings wrote: |
asiab3 wrote: |
TPG wrote: |
I'm in need of a Distributor Drive Pinion Washer P/N 021 105 235. If anyone has one and willing to let it go please let me Know
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TPG |
Hi there, and welcome. Have you tried calling Pelican Oarts and asking them? Phone number is posted in this thread..
Robbie |
Is Oart a valid word to use on The Samba?
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Yikes. Looks like you need to brush up on your Luxembourgish, obviously……
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