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Steve M. Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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4Gears4Tires wrote: |
Oh that's a good idea. I'll do that tomorrow and see if I can reproduce it. Removing the cap doesn't change the timing, does it?
There is a lot of compression. It is not an easy motor to rotate. It really pushes back if you don't get it past the cylinder TDC. |
No, not at all. You just remember the 4 cylinder firing sew6uence, 1-4-3-2 & you can tell which piston is coming TDC by the position of the rotor.
Just the cap now, don't loosen the distributor. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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4Gears4Tires wrote: |
When I was rotating the engine over by hand I noticed I hit a point and it went "clunk". The engine has good tension so it would spring back a bit and I could hit it again and again and it would go clunk clunk clunk. I did notice that this point moved forward as I rocked the engine back and forth.
Borked motor? Misadjusted valves? |
A common problem with Type 4 engines back in the day was that soot would build up on the pistons and cylinder heads and then fall off while the engine was sitting and this soot would prevent the piston from reaching TDC. This problem seems to have largely gone away with the advent of cleaner burning fuels. |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3051 Location: MD
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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With the engine completely cold I was able to reproduce it.
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I think I am going to put it in the air this afternoon and take the valve covers off. It should be noted that it starts instantly and idles fine. The alligator clips are there to make sure the distributor had a good ground when adjusting it, just haven't removed them yet. _________________ '87 Syncro
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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How far will the engine turn in the other direction? Any chance your starter drive is staying engaged? |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3051 Location: MD
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Wildthings wrote: |
How far will the engine turn in the other direction? Any chance your starter drive is staying engaged? |
Solved!
When I went to turn it the other way, I was really surprised to find the whole van pushing on my leg with every little turn. Turns out, it was just in gear and it's whatever CV joint/transaxle gear engagement slop is happening. I'm just really trying to embody the spirit of this thread.
_________________ '87 Syncro
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32625 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
I just installed two 100w Newpowa panels on the roof*, with a Renogy Rover Elite 40amp MPPT controller. The input voltage is around 17.5v, but the house battery is being maintained at around 11.5v. I'm currently running a 130L 12v/120v Truckfridge, but it was exhibiting this same behavior prior to the fridge install. Prior to the solar install, I had never seen the house battery drop below 12.1v
The Renogy manual is not much help, and I'm a total noob to the solar hive mind.
Li'l help?
*I also installed an external input port in the side of the van for a third 100w panel, but nothing changes. |
Turns out my nearly new AGM battery was just too weak. It's now charging properly with a replacement battery. All is well. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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DuncanS Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2013 Posts: 4583 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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'91 tintop 2WD--rebuilt WBX, Matt Steedle tranny 2K ago. Drove into the garage for work two days ago. Went to drive it out. In reverse, no problem, let in the clutch----nothing. No change in engine RPM, no fluid of the floor. WTH???????? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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DuncanS wrote: |
'91 tintop 2WD--rebuilt WBX, Matt Steedle tranny 2K ago. Drove into the garage for work two days ago. Went to drive it out. In reverse, no problem, let in the clutch----nothing. No change in engine RPM, no fluid of the floor. WTH???????? |
Not sure what you are saying is happening. Sounds like it is going into gear, but when you let up on the pedal the clutch doesn't engage? |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6833 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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4Gears4Tires wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
How far will the engine turn in the other direction? Any chance your starter drive is staying engaged? |
Solved!
When I went to turn it the other way, I was really surprised to find the whole van pushing on my leg with every little turn. Turns out, it was just in gear and it's whatever CV joint/transaxle gear engagement slop is happening. I'm just really trying to embody the spirit of this thread.
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Slaps on both sides of head...front and back too! 🙄 _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6833 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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DuncanS wrote: |
'91 tintop 2WD--rebuilt WBX, Matt Steedle tranny 2K ago. Drove into the garage for work two days ago. Went to drive it out. In reverse, no problem, let in the clutch----nothing. No change in engine RPM, no fluid of the floor. WTH???????? |
What work did you do on it?
What did you remove and put back on? _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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DuncanS Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2013 Posts: 4583 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Work in the garage was left rear fixed window. Never went near the clutch. When I depress the pedal, it seems like there is hydraulic resistance more than just the pedal return spring. Gears shift into all 5 with clutch pedal down or up with no problem. The shift linkage moves the lever at the tranny, so no disconnect through the shifing mechanism. Thought it might be the master cylinder clevis pin dropping out which connects the pedal to the cylinder. Can't see it as it's way up behind the crash tube. Did find an old mud wasp nest a few inches away though. There were tons of them everywhere when I first bought it. Can't be the master connecting pin as this would mean the clutch is always in and the car would move it it were able to be put into gear. So somehow, the slave must be stuck in a disengaged position.
Has been driving just fine, but both cylinders are not new to me. Clutch pedal action has not changed nor felt different. Drove into the garage, and kaput. A mystery.
No warning. As Click and Clack said when a guy complained there was no warning: "What did you expect, a postcard?"
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bryanarchy Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2020 Posts: 38 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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In the spirit of owning one's own stupidity:
I was in the process of replacing the headlights two weeks ago and when the new ones were in place, I couldn't get them to light up. I deciphered how to read the electrical diagrams in the Bentley, followed every wire, tested everything, tried the old lights but nothing worked.
I struggled for a couple days, poking around at it. Finally, I opened the user manual to the dash console section and read "headlights will only work when ignition is on."
I took two deep breaths and was at peace with it all. Pretty happy about the new lights too! |
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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bryanarchy wrote: |
In the spirit of owning one's own stupidity:
I was in the process of replacing the headlights two weeks ago and when the new ones were in place, I couldn't get them to light up. I deciphered how to read the electrical diagrams in the Bentley, followed every wire, tested everything, tried the old lights but nothing worked.
I struggled for a couple days, poking around at it. Finally, I opened the user manual to the dash console section and read "headlights will only work when ignition is on."
I took two deep breaths and was at peace with it all. Pretty happy about the new lights too! |
That sounds like something I would do. Thanks for the laugh and I'm glad you resolved it!
Reminds me of one of my favorite classic Samba threads:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0 _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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You could open the bleeder on the slave or crack the fitting in the clutch hydraulic line to see if that makes any difference, but if the piston in the slave is moving in and out.
If its not in the slave or master, it sounds like you are in for tranny pull and clutch inspection. |
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bryanarchy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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By the looks of this thread, I can kiss my productivity goodbye this afternoon! |
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DuncanS Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Luckily I can easily access the slave.
I want to rotate it 90º and rework the bracket anyway, so I guess this is the time to do it. Scared there is something internal, but I'll mess with the slave and see if I can tell something. I was hoping the third shift mechanics would fix the problem over night, but evidently they failed once again to show up when I needed them. |
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DanHoug Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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there's a nice patina of rust over everything... if the splines on the input shaft are rusty, maybe it wedged when the thrust of the slave disengaged the clutch. try tapping on the clutch lever arm in the upward direction and see if you can gain any movement. but the key would be to have an observer watch the arm for movement. it doesn't move a lot but if it is moving back and forth your problems may be internal.
old BMW motorcycles have a similar dry clutch are notorious for wearing out the input shaft splines due to a lack of lubrication. on my van clutch re-do, i lubed the splines with a moly lube, not too much, re-bushed and lubed the cross shaft. my clutch pedal action is so light i thought it was disconnected at first. _________________ -dan
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DuncanS Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:55 am Post subject: Re: Official lazy person's stupid question thread |
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Thank you, Dan. Luckily with the open viewing, I can get my wife to depress the pedal so I can see. I'll let you know. |
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