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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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I have been having trouble keeping the fan bolt tight on my 69 Square, which has cause issues with my generator, and the flywheel (?) eventually starts rattling. Decided that I am going to try and pull the engine to fix it, and I have never done that before. My first worry is getting the rear end up high enough to get it out. I have a set of ramps, as well as a low profile jack and stands. I figure once the engine is loose, if there is not enough clearance, I can get some help lifting the rear end by hand to get it out from underneath.
Since I will have it out, I will spend the winter tearing it apart and cleaning/repairing anything I can. This will be my first foray into engine work, so if you all have any suggestions for things to look for and improvements that can be made while the engine is out, I would appreciate hearing them. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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That fan/pulley bolt is torqued much higher than for a Bug. Some manuals are incorrect. You need 90+ ft-lbs for a Type 3.
The pulley bolt will not affect the flywheel in any way.
Lots of threads about getting the engine out. Now I use an ATV jack and a homemade adapter. But for years I just lowered it side to side with wood blocks onto a sheet of 1/4" plywood, then dragged the works out.
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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The ramps & tires get in the way! Put 3 ton jack stands under the spring plates in front of the rear wheels at there Top notch. Drop the engine down & slide it onto heavy cardboard, so you can drag it out from under the car. You have even more room coming out the side with the wheels & tires off the car but i just get mine out the back barely clearing the rear apron. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Yes, first determine if you really need to pull the engine.
The fan/pulley can be tightened easily enough, you just need a way to hold the engine from turning. How are you holding yours?
As Phil says it needs to be tightened to 95-105 lbs.
If your fan's rivets are working loose and causing it to rattle, tightening won't help. You'll need to fix or replace your fan, but it can be removed without pulling the engine. _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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Boogievan Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Port Orchard, WA.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Donnie strickland wrote: |
Yes, first determine if you really need to pull the engine.
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Kind of what I was thinking... If you want to tear it down and rebuild, by all means, pull that thing outta there. But it really doesn't have to come out to fix the fan/pulley. |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Boogievan wrote: |
Kind of what I was thinking... If you want to tear it down and rebuild, by all means, pull that thing outta there. But it really doesn't have to come out to fix the fan/pulley. |
I do want to tear down and rebuild. If for nothing more than the experience. |
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Boogievan Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Port Orchard, WA.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Cool, I'd go for it then. Plenty of help here if you find yourself in trouble. |
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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For an IRS Type 3 (which your 69 is), VW recommended pulling the engine and transmission together, since it's less work. That's what I do. I use a transmission jack from Harbor Freight, with a piece of wood strapped to the top to make a wider support, like so:
If you pull just the engine by itself, you'll have to make arrangements to support the transmission, since without the engine there's nothing to support it in the back.
I jack each side of the car up a little, going from one side to the other, placing wood blocks under the tires until the car is sitting high enough that I can roll the engine/transmission out the back:
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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I only hope that I can make this...
... look anything like notchboys
Different motor, but his is so clean and pretty! |
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Boogievan Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Port Orchard, WA.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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He does do to top 'notch' work, that is a beautiful engine!
And I'll try to be the first to say it (because I know it's coming):
Get that fuel filter outta the engine compartment!!!!! |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Boogievan wrote: |
He does do to top 'notch' work, that is a beautiful engine!
And I'll try to be the first to say it (because I know it's coming):
Get that fuel filter outta the engine compartment!!!!! |
Oh, you're not the first
Part of the plan... |
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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So your car is an automatic? _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Donnie strickland wrote: |
So your car is an automatic? |
Yes it is. Does that have an impact on my plans? |
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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The automatic transmission's front mount is no longer manufactured. You can occasionally find them here in the classifieds, but they tend to be expensive. This is another reason to pull the engine and transmission together, because you just take the bolts out and the mount stays on the transmission. If you split that mount, it's going to cost you. _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Also, your generator needs to be rotated. Look at Notchboy's picture -- there is a line on the distributor body which should line up with the dot on the hold-down strap. There is a hole on the side of the generator body, and when you line up the dot and the line, the generator gets cooling air blown inside it from the fan shroud to keep it from overheating. _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Thanks for the advice! |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Looks like that tranny jack is $100 from Harbor Freight. I will pick one up before I start. Thanks for the picture of yours, I will try to replicate your mod |
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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grnerd wrote: |
Looks like that tranny jack is $100 from Harbor Freight. I will pick one up before I start. Thanks for the picture of yours, I will try to replicate your mod |
I will mention that with the engine/trans sitting on the jack, it takes a fair amount of force to raise the jack. It takes a 1/2" drive ratchet with a cheater pipe to turn it, or an air-powered impact wrench. I used an impact. _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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Adriel Rowley Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2006 Posts: 4748 Location: Mesa, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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Donnie strickland wrote: |
I use a transmission jack from Harbor Freight, with a piece of wood strapped to the top to make a wider support, like so:
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Donnie, this is just what I been looking for to move a large classic Mercedes transmission. Had to lift it out of the borrowed van and into the back of the garage, but back was out of commission a week, basically stuck in a chair. So thank you. _________________ Please consider I am Autistic, so I process information differently and still working on social skills. Thanks.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2009 Posts: 2403 Location: Moody, AL
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck! Suggestions welcome. |
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You're welcome Adriel! It's a handy tool. _________________ 71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback |
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