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sodbuster
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 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:32 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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IMO you need to rotate the bracket counter clockwise a bit to put the bolt of the shackle in a position of shear. as it sits that bolt looks more to be in tension and would be more susceptible to failure as it sits. it also looks like the latch would hook up easier as well. Just a thought.  |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:41 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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| My wife's family had a few buses growing up. She's one of 3 girls... one of them got to sit on the milk crate somehow tied to the back of the passenger seat. It's okay though - it had a cushion on top Smile We often joke about that... |
Wow. A lot of those cushions had asbestos in them.
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tommu
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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I got thrown off (almost, a bit of hyperbole) our local social network when I posted that safety seats don't go bad after 5 years because of plastic degradation - to be fair, about half the locals saw it as pure marketing ploy by the seat mfg...but logic, facts, reasoning, testimony of first responders who say they never see failures of material....just didn't matter.
People cling to opinions based on five major factors - recognising which one is in play can save you a lot of time..
Herd mentality
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Absolution - from responsibility and guilt should something go wrong. I think that's another major factor.
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Radrick123
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:48 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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| Thanks all for the feedback. I think for now I will try and reverse the shackle and also thread the lap belt through the carseat for redundancy. Does that make sense? |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:09 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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| Thanks all for the feedback. I think for now I will try and reverse the shackle and also thread the lap belt through the carseat for redundancy. Does that make sense? |
As long as it isnt made in China. Taiwan, US, EU will be okay steel. If you want to nail it, get a Wicard brand from France which will exceed its rating by a wide margin.
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samwise
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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You do realize that the LATCH weight limit for child and seat combined is 65lbs, yes?
When the weight of the child and seat combined exceed 65lb, then the seat should be installed using the vehicle seat belts instead. LATCH is mostly aimed at convenience.
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BUSBOSS
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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Our top tether strap could be safer though - my F-in-law attached 2 U bolts to the board on the back of the rear seatback.
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I would fix that pronto.
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ToolBox
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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| samwise wrote: |
You do realize that the LATCH weight limit for child and seat combined is 65lbs, yes?
When the weight of the child and seat combined exceed 65lb, then the seat should be installed using the vehicle seat belts instead. LATCH is mostly aimed at convenience. |
That would require reading the car seat instructions.... My wife is a car seat fitter and a few of the guys here at work needed many special training sessions in order to fit car seats into crash test vehicles.
You should see how a car seat and dummy flail around the cabin when latch systems fail. |
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Smushy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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| samwise wrote: |
When the weight of the child and seat combined exceed 65lb, then the seat should be installed using the vehicle seat belts instead. LATCH is mostly aimed at convenience. |
Is there any problem with using the factory lapbelt attachment method? I was going to use this on a child seat in my Bus and the instructions do include option for a regular lapbelt. I don't see the benefit to the Latch/Clip methods (are they for convenience?)
Anyone have opinion on the strength of 50 year old belts for this purpose - even if they are visibly in great condition? I could see the merit or replacing them but I also don't want to replace them with cheap unsafe junk either.
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samwise
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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Is there any problem with using the factory lapbelt attachment method? I was going to use this on a child seat in my Bus and the instructions do include option for a regular lapbelt. I don't see the benefit to the Latch/Clip methods (are they for convenience?)
Anyone have opinion on the strength of 50 year old belts for this purpose - even if they are visibly in great condition? I could see the merit or replacing them but I also don't want to replace them with cheap unsafe junk either. |
Using the factory lap or shoulder-lap belt is a much better option, as long as it is fitted correctly - most fire departments have someone on staff who is an expert at fitting them if the owner is insure.
Personally, I'm changing all my original belts to new ones (mine are from SeatBeltsPlus) - $81 for each front seat (with the 18" cable buckle end) is good piece of mind. There are other options out there, too, naturally.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: How would you rate my child seatbelt upgrade? |
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I think you should hook it up and then PULL ON IT AS HARD AS YOU CAN!!!! BREAK IT!!!! if you can't, continue using it. if it breaks throw it away and learn a lesson.
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