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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:29 pm Post subject: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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I've started collecting parts for a 2332 build. I have a shop now and winter will soon be here in Oregon. Found a standard/standard as41 universal case for less than $200 .....I have cb unitech 5.5 rods and a brand new 86b with matched lifters. Will probably find another set of Dell 45's for it but may hunt for some 48's. Not sure bout the heads yet but will probably go with the new super pros with 45mm valve. The goal with this motor is basically to keep learning and try new tricks with the build. Suggestions welcome. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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Multi69s Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 5360 Location: Lefty, CA
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3443 Location: Garage
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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If you want to try something, try bigger rods. |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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Multi69s wrote: |
Too bad its a 2332, I have a 82mm crank with Porsche rods just calling your name |
Stock vw rods are stronger than Porsche rods. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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jason wrote: |
If you want to try something, try bigger rods. |
5.5 will work better with a cam that keeps the torque and hp lower in the rpms. Thinking of the 86b or an FK43. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3443 Location: Garage
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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So then you don't want to try something different Put an 86 in there. |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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jason wrote: |
So then you don't want to try something different Put an 86 in there. |
I may. Got a brand new 86b and matching lifters. Got an Engle 120 also. And I have another XR310...that one on a 108 lobe. I think the 120 with 1.3's would just have silly torque. The 86b in a 2332 would be a nice all around animal. Really want to try an FK43 too. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3443 Location: Garage
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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I meant crank. Not much more work than an 84. |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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jason wrote: |
I meant crank. Not much more work than an 84. |
Oh. Now that's what I'm talking about. 2387! What else do you need to do to fit an 86 crank? And this is going in a as41 universal case...never line bored and doesn't need it.
Shuffle pin the case? Wedge mate crank and flywheel? Or is an 8 dowel crank good enough? At what hp do you need to wedge mate the crank and flywheel? _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5291 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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who told u stock vw rods are stronger? _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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madmike wrote: |
who told u stock vw rods are stronger? |
The design of the rod did. Porsche rods are their weak link. Thin at the wrist pin _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3574 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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If a Porsche rod is going to break the wrist pin area is the least likely. More likely would be rod bolts. Dan |
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pondervwmike Samba Member
Joined: June 16, 2017 Posts: 373 Location: Ponder(Dallas) Texas USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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How bout an Eagle 2292 or Engle FK10 in that 2387cc monster? _________________ 1967 Cal Look Beetle Street Car in re-restoration,customization. Mom and Dad bought it in 1983 when I was 4.
2010 VW Tiguan
2000 BMW 528i
1997 Jeep Cherokee
2127cc build thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=681556&highlight= |
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Dauz Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2010 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
jason wrote: |
I meant crank. Not much more work than an 84. |
At what hp do you need to wedge mate the crank and flywheel? |
Never if it's always a rolling start
May also consider drilling crank for 3/8 dowels, however. |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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Dauz wrote: |
fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
jason wrote: |
I meant crank. Not much more work than an 84. |
At what hp do you need to wedge mate the crank and flywheel? |
Never if it's always a rolling start
May also consider drilling crank for 3/8 dowels, however. |
3/8? Good to know _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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pondervwmike wrote: |
How bout an Eagle 2292 or Engle FK10 in that 2387cc monster? |
I'll check out the 2292....id go 86c before I used an fk10 _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3443 Location: Garage
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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My 86 crank with carillo rods basically dropped in. On a non clearanced cam it turns over but touches. So a pre clearanced cam would be a drop in. I have a 411 center main on mine. |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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jason wrote: |
My 86 crank with carillo rods basically dropped in. On a non clearanced cam it turns over but touches. So a pre clearanced cam would be a drop in. I have a 411 center main on mine. |
Thanks. Assuming Chevy journal? _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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DeathBySnuSnu Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2012 Posts: 1180 Location: MS
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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My 86 and 3/8 bolt h beam Chevy journal took some cam clearance.
But not as much as some.
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5927 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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DeathBySnuSnu wrote: |
My 86 and 3/8 bolt h beam Chevy journal took some cam clearance.
But not as much as some.
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I have been told that for an 86 or larger, the cam needs to be ground on a smaller base circle. If the base circle is too big, the nose of a few lobes will want to hit the crank, and I don't think theres a way to clearance that (besides going to a case with lowered cam mounting) _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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