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fivelugshortaxle
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Joined: May 13, 2011
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Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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 Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| Onceler wrote: |
Here's my 86 crank, I'm sure it's the same as five lugs.
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My oiling holes are slotted
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
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fivelugshortaxle
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Joined: May 13, 2011
Posts: 4254
Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| HotStreetVw wrote: |
Yeah, like not running at $280 crankshaft at 9k rpm and expecting it to live forever?
| Onceler wrote: |
| Who knows what kind of tricks guys like Jack Sachette have up their sleeves,but thanks for the info, feeling better about my build with this kind of info., ok I'm really done commenting |
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9,000 rpm? Hahahah...wow!
Cam in mine is an exr304...304 adv [email protected] .399 lift at the cam. Definitely won't be turning anywhere near 9,000 rpm. Wow that is nuts.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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mark tucker
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Joined: April 08, 2009
Posts: 23937
Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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that crank wont work, better send it back.as it was made rong...the snout is on the rong end as are the dowels........ oh never mind I see the issue now, your on the west coast  I build mine aiming the other way....  it dosent realy look like it was nitirded.... but these days nitriding comes in many different ways&colors too. |
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Onceler
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Location: Indiana
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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I finally understand- the samba needs a street performance section and a competition performance section, 2 different animals. Dammit there I go commenting again
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fivelugshortaxle
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Joined: May 13, 2011
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Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| Onceler wrote: |
| I finally understand- the samba needs a street performance section and a competition performance section, 2 different animals. Dammit there I go commenting again |
Spot on. Difficult for the beginner to discern between the two
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Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fivelugshortaxle
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Joined: May 13, 2011
Posts: 4254
Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
| Onceler wrote: |
Here's my 86 crank, I'm sure it's the same as five lugs.
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My oiling holes are slotted |
No...my counterweight are a little thicker from the looks of it. And what happened to thise journals
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Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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HotStreetVw
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Joined: October 03, 2004
Posts: 871
Location: Wild West
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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My original comment was to show evidence that if they can get away with a 2" journal at 9k rpm, your surely not going to have an issue with your 170hp engine.
So spend less time writing your signature and bragging about running D7EA spark plugs and start paying attention to those who have been there and done it. If you think they have "tricks", your right, pay attention and try to figure them out.
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the sholders of Giants." Issac Newton
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Dan Ruddock
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Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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I have no problem with Chevy journals on a crank with T4 mains. I have a problem with a 82 or smaller with T1 mains and Chevy rods. A 82 crank fits the case just fine with modern VW journal rods. Why weaken the crank when you don't need to? I can see the advantage on a race car with all the quality Chevy rod bearings available.
Yes race and street cars have there own set of needs. Also hp is not the problem for the VW crank, it's the high rpm of a NA engine.
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clonebug
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Location: NW Washington
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| Dan Ruddock wrote: |
I have no problem with Chevy journals on a crank with T4 mains. I have a problem with a 82 or smaller with T1 mains and Chevy rods. A 82 crank fits the case just fine with modern VW journal rods. Why weaken the crank when you don't need to? I can see the advantage on a race car with all the quality Chevy rod bearings available.
Yes race and street cars have there own set of needs. Also hp is not the problem for the VW crank, it's the high rpm of a NA engine.
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RPM is one of the keys to hp though.........
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fivelugshortaxle
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Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| HotStreetVw wrote: |
My original comment was to show evidence that if they can get away with a 2" journal at 9k rpm, your surely not going to have an issue with your 170hp engine.
So spend less time writing your signature and bragging about running D7EA spark plugs and start paying attention to those who have been there and done it. If you think they have "tricks", your right, pay attention and try to figure them out.
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the sholders of Giants." Issac Newton |
Not sure why you feel the need for shittiness. Also not sure how listing build parts...especially spark plugs...is bragging. And yes, I do pay attention to some in here. A person can learn a lot by posting up an obscure statement on here and simply sitting back and watching the egos come out....with their opinions and their ideas on things.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fivelugshortaxle
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Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| clonebug wrote: |
| Dan Ruddock wrote: |
I have no problem with Chevy journals on a crank with T4 mains. I have a problem with a 82 or smaller with T1 mains and Chevy rods. A 82 crank fits the case just fine with modern VW journal rods. Why weaken the crank when you don't need to? I can see the advantage on a race car with all the quality Chevy rod bearings available.
Yes race and street cars have there own set of needs. Also hp is not the problem for the VW crank, it's the high rpm of a NA engine.
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RPM is one of the keys to hp though......... |
So is torque....it determines where in the rpm range your hp will peak
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Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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HotStreetVw
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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stop thinking about the equation as
HP = RPMxTorque/5252
What if we solve for torque?
Torque = 5252*HP/RPM
Read my response on this thread. Cylinder pressure and flow rates
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682129&start=60
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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Thanks. Another rabbit hole to go down and see what I can see.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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HotStreetVw
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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I guess it would sound like a Harley and have a distributed cap that looks like an X-wing 
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I wonder if anyone has made a cross plane crank for the VW  |
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jason
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| I thought the move to chevy parts was because the bearings and such were plentiful. The Porsche stuff is expensive and harder to find. The only broken cranks Ive seen have been at the main bearing areas. |
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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Hunting Dell 48's. Got a set of Super Pros to trade even.
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Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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esde
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
| Hunting Dell 48's. Got a set of Super Pros to trade even. |
I thought you already had a set.
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pondervwmike
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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Yea I remember you bought a 69 bug for your wife with 48 Dells. What happened to those?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Collecting parts for a 2332 |
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| fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
| Onceler wrote: |
| I finally understand- the samba needs a street performance section and a competition performance section, 2 different animals. Dammit there I go commenting again |
Spot on. Difficult for the beginner to discern between the two |
THIS!!! X1000000
So many people get hung up on drag race mods that don't do jack for a street car. Sure, they will gain you a tenth of a second on an 1/8 mile run but the hours of work and hundreds of dollars spent are wasted for street performance.
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