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Max Boost
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 Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:30 pm Post subject: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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Hello everyone,
I need some help!... so i have a 67 fastback and i just installed the some empi 40 carbs on my car but now it seems the linkage is sitting to high where i cant close my engine lid. Also i never notice but the right side of the motor is sitting slightly higher than the left.. any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
I'll have some pics up tomorrow morning. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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Sounds like the rear engine mount isn't shimmed properly.
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| Tram wrote: |
| Sounds like the rear engine mount isn't shimmed properly. |
Thats what I'm guessing too but its almost looks like it needs to drop about half inch down. |
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W1K1
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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I had to slot the holes in my engine/trans mount and change the spacer in the rear to get enough space for mine to clear
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| W1K1 wrote: |
| I had to slot the holes in my engine/trans mount and change the spacer in the rear to get enough space for mine to clear |
I'm going try and put a spacer on the rear mount hopefully it will bring down the motor enough. if not this would be another solution. |
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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Heres some pics
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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That's just way too close. It may be a pipe dream, but it should be more like this.
Depending on your fab skills, you should be able to get it close. |
yeah thats how it should look like. So i tried putting more shims and it brought it down slightly and took the heat protection on lid but its still rubbing on right side. more is still sitting higher on the right side. maybe a mount on the trans or body is making it sag? not sure... |
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W1K1
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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you have to slot the trans mount holes (blue arrow, mine is a non stock trans mount) to drop the whole assembly down, otherwise you are working against the front trans mount like a see saw. I think I only went about 1/4" but that translates to about 1/2" at the rear hanger.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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Have you used the short manifolds, ??
The photo not clear but looks like the long manifold was used.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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Mill the right manifold down 1/4" to match the left.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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Have you used the short manifolds, ??
The photo not clear but looks like the long manifold was used.
Herman |
Agreed. I fit 40 IDFs under the decklid of my 68 with the CB Performance short manifolds.
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| Retrovan wrote: |
Have you used the short manifolds, ??
The photo not clear but looks like the long manifold was used.
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I have the short manifolds. Its the Empi kit |
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| W1K1 wrote: |
you have to slot the trans mount holes (blue arrow, mine is a non stock trans mount) to drop the whole assembly down, otherwise you are working against the front trans mount like a see saw. I think I only went about 1/4" but that translates to about 1/2" at the rear hanger. |
That's what happing now im working against the rear mount. Do you think maybe a push and pull linkage will work since that's whats holding me up now. |
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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this is the kit I bought for the car
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ataraxia
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| It says right in the ad that it doesn't fit under the lid - not sure why you're surprised. |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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RamFlo are the best for fitting under the deck, but you might have to modity them to fit EMPI HPMX?
https://www.lynxauto.com.au/ramflo-air-filters/ram...ttors.html
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| It says right in the ad that it doesn't fit under the lid - not sure why you're surprised. |
I was just thinking that myself.
The OP could measure the height of his manifolds, and contact CB Performance and ask them to give him a measurement of theirs, so he'd known how much too tall the ones he has are. At least that's what I'd do. If they happen to be the same length, then I'd look at dropping the engine down methods.
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chizucc
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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That's odd. I had the HPMX 40 set up and mine fit under the deck lid....shit carbs compared to my dells, but they fit.
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Max Boost
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Empi 40 carbs wont let my engine lid close |
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| ataraxia wrote: |
| It says right in the ad that it doesn't fit under the lid - not sure why you're surprised. |
The velocity stacks are not included because it wont fit under the decklid.. not the kit it self |
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