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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9521 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:08 am Post subject: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Samba service announcement, Samba member AKWesty's method re-posted with a "searchable? subject title". If there's a better title send a note & I'll edit. Want members to be able to find it when the time comes. And its coming.
For members having transaxle pain, here's a brilliant way to ship it.
It helps the rebuilder too, because he doesn't have to build a return crate, after discarding your taped-up boxes.
Pics are from member AKWesty's post in 2015.
Looks like 48qt holds a 2WD trans, what size fits 4WD?
I'd use drywall screws and screw that block on (from the inside). Maybe AK did that?
Alternate subject title....
"Adding a COOLER to your Vanagon transaxle" _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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16CVs Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Doesn't the main shaft just a unscrew once you pull the circlips and the collar back?
That is the best way to ship a Trans for sure. The good thing is is that you can find them on the side of the road or in thrift stores dirt cheap. Even buying them new is no biggee.
Stacy _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
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Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12103 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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On some diffs the threaded collar needs to be slackened in order to let the diff drop enough to slide the splined collar back and unscrew the input shaft. It's a good idea to indent both the threaded collar and trans, and then count how many turns you've unthreaded. I use a Sharpee to note that figure on the collar, just because. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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tjet Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3528 Location: CA & NM
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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16CV's wrote: |
Doesn't the main shaft just a unscrew once you pull the circlips and the collar back?
That is the best way to ship a Trans for sure...Stacy |
Can you elaborate?
I need to ship my Syncro locker trans from CT-CA, so great timing on post
Thx |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9521 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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tjet wrote: |
16CV's wrote: |
unscrew once you pull the circlips and the collar back? |
Can you elaborate? |
Unbolt the bellhousing. Fwd of the differential you will see a splined collar that joins the two-part input shaft. Remove a circlip and slide the splined collar off the clutch shaft. The two shaft parts are held together ( loosely!) with a 7mm "allthread stud". So then you can unscrew the clutch shaft.
This will also allow you to look at your Ring&pinion before sending it off. And you may KNOW that you need a new one, or rejoice in the knowledge that you don't. And familiarize yourself somewhat with diff area.
Now's a good time to drill & tap some Holes for an oil cooling setup. Cuz you don't have to clean up the chips (if u ever did.... ) My best recommendation is to use the fillport for "in" and do NOT add the "oiling plate" on the fill-bung side of the trans because it blocks your oil stream from hitting the "4th gear mesh area". OK so the port I'd recommend for your trans is simply an oil level check hole on the driver side. The other port you'll want is for a temperature sensor. Probably on the bottom of the trans, so its in the oil and truly reports on oil temp. These are 1/4NPT pipe thread holes. A 1/4NPT female hole is slightly smaller than 1/4pipe diam (540" diameter). _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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What Casey was referring to is that the locker diffs (and probably all 4-spider diffs) require that the left-hand side adjuster be loosened, so that the diff can move to the left & drop down a tad. Otherwise, the joining sleeve won't clear the diff. This of course requires removing both flanges, too .. _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
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candyman Samba Trout Slayer
Joined: December 20, 2003 Posts: 2694 Location: Missoula MT
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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I used one of the giant costco coolers (100qt iirc) that i happened to have on hand from my catering days. That fits a syncro trans perfectly with NO disassembly required. That last part is important so the rebuilder sends you back a trans that all you need to do is install and not fuss with any reassembly. However if all you have are the smaller coolers like pictured, then by all means do it the way sodo outlined. I was just lucky that I had one of those big coolers on hand, otherwise they probably run north of $50. And yes, this is the best way to ship a transmission. Good post sodo
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9895 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Yes the 4 spider diffs need the extra steps for shaft removal and even some 2 spider diffs don't have quite enough room due to variations in the casting.
Mark |
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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These coolers are about $70 delivered. Just the packing time saved makes it worth it, and FedEx loves the handles.
_________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
https://guardtransaxle.com |
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raoul mitgong Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2009 Posts: 1338 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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I don't think you guys quite understand the purpose or function of a transmission cooler. Without external fluid cooling and some sort of heat exchanger, this is only going to make your problems worse.
-d _________________ 84 Westy with a 2.1 (Groover)
86 Tintop Syncro (Crow)
86 Tintop Syncro to Westy project (Tom Servo)
91 Westy (Only the top 12 inches of this van (a burn victim)) |
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candyman Samba Trout Slayer
Joined: December 20, 2003 Posts: 2694 Location: Missoula MT
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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raoul mitgong wrote: |
I don't think you guys quite understand the purpose or function of a transmission cooler. Without external fluid cooling and some sort of heat exchanger, this is only going to make your problems worse.
-d |
If you have access to a walkin fridge or freezer, you can prechill the cooler overnight before you pack the transmission. That should keep the tranmission cooler, no need for external fluid at that point |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7733 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Somes o' youse guys are funny...
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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campism Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 4485 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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candyman wrote: |
raoul mitgong wrote: |
I don't think you guys quite understand the purpose or function of a transmission cooler. Without external fluid cooling and some sort of heat exchanger, this is only going to make your problems worse.
-d |
If you have access to a walkin fridge or freezer, you can prechill the cooler overnight before you pack the transmission. That should keep the tranmission cooler, no need for external fluid at that point |
Once the cooler is prechilled, remove the beer and drink it while packing up the trans. External fluid does its job while you do yours, external fluid becomes internal for a while before becoming external again, warmed considerably. _________________ '87 Westy in Wolfram Grey Metallic |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Thats a cool idea. Get it? "cool"?
I wondered if shipping a transaxle with the clutch housing off was viable. i.e. not saying this is what Sodo is doing but next time I get a rebuilt, unless they guarantee that the clutch housing will be "rebuilt", I'll keep mine and do it myself.
re: comments on input shaft removal. Here's a couple pics i took a while ago showing the gear, splines, etc. for an air cooled transaxle.
Neil.
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Paulbeard Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2015 Posts: 2604 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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gears wrote: |
These coolers are about $70 delivered. Just the packing time saved makes it worth it, and FedEx loves the handles.
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Got a link to these? Asking for a friend… _________________ Currently -> Frida: 87 Tizian Red (mostly) Vanagon GL Westfalia w/ 2.0L ABA conversion
Formerly -> Steward of a 73 Super Beetle (Beater) and 67 Beetle 1300 (Little Max) both names by POs
— dhaavers |
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dobryan Samba Member
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Paulbeard Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2015 Posts: 2604 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Walmart? We don't have those here. But yeah, I guess I can get some measurements and work from them. _________________ Currently -> Frida: 87 Tizian Red (mostly) Vanagon GL Westfalia w/ 2.0L ABA conversion
Formerly -> Steward of a 73 Super Beetle (Beater) and 67 Beetle 1300 (Little Max) both names by POs
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22573 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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Paulbeard wrote: |
Walmart? We don't have those here. But yeah, I guess I can get some measurements and work from them. |
We put ours in the next town over so that they have To pay for all the added police for petit larcenies, grab and gos, and shoplifting.
When the dollar stores come in, you know the town is finished. Their biz plan I said cleaning out the last dollars left by walmart. _________________ .ssS! |
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tjet Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3528 Location: CA & NM
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Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Packing a transaxle in a Cooler! (shipping/crating) |
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gears wrote: |
These coolers are about $70 delivered. Just the packing time saved makes it worth it, and FedEx loves the handles.
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What size and brand are those coolers? |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16474 Location: Brookeville, MD
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