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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:36 pm Post subject: Start but..... |
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After my ignition problem was ok engine try to start but crank and crank
put some gas in the throtle body and it start little bit hard to start but run for 4-5 sec then die
retry with no gas in throtle try but no start
put some gas crank start but need help from starter run maybe 1 sec.
this morning i check the injector plug into the harness and spaying in a plastic bag all 4 ok
when engine run for 4-5 sec i have response from the gas pedal
can rev the engine?
i remark that my temporary fuel return line return nothing
(take my fuel from jerrycan because tank is to old have to replace)
fuel regulator? |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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Put a vacuum pump on the fuel regulator and see if it 'holds' a vacuum. It should. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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This is for your 1978. Fuel pump must not be working or is fuel line is plugged.
Test fuel pump cranking and with AFM (air flow meter) flap open
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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new pump
new filter
new fuel hose
pump work when cranking and suppose to run when engine run but i dont know
with afm push pump run |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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Check fuel pressure.
It runs when You "put some gas in the throttle body and it start little bit hard to start but run for 4-5 sec"
It has to be a fuel problem. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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Do you have White wire going from (N) Coil #1 to (J21) ECM #1 (electronic control module)?
Last edited by Tcash on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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if i wait 5 minutes a try to crank he seem want to strart on first crank but no fire up
and after that if i dont but fuel in throttle body no more chance to start |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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yes white wire is there
gonna buy a fuel pressure gauge tomorrow
where the best place to put the t
just near the cold start valve |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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Between the 3-4 injector line and fuel pump is better.
Good luck
Tcash
clean the grounds
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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is it normal that my fuel regalator is not the one with vacuum hose but the one with a kind of bolt in center and he is bolt true the firewall passenger side |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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WESTYJACK wrote: |
is it normal that my fuel regalator is not the one with vacuum hose but the one with a kind of bolt in center and he is bolt true the firewall passenger side |
Depends on which injection system you have in the bus.
Some injection systems came with a Mechanical fuel pressure regulator.
Some injection systems came with a Vacuum operated pressure regulator.
What is the number on your ECU (electronic control unit)
thnx to mayor ratwell
http://www.ratwell.com/technical/FISwap.html#ecu
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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Tanks for your help TCASH
tomorrow Ill check for the ecu number
can you tell me the symptom of a glogged fuel pressure regulator
pressure gonna go high did the injector open |
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Amskeptic Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2002 Posts: 8568 Location: All Across The Country
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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WESTYJACK wrote: |
After my ignition problem was ok engine try to start but crank and crank
put some gas in the throtle body and it start little bit hard to start but run for 4-5 sec then die
retry with no gas in throtle try but no start
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Keep it simple. When a fuel injected bus suffers starting problems, you would do well to remove the spark plugs, clean each electrode firing surface, re-gap, and then get the engine running and keep it running. Slightly sooty plugs will get "wet" and ground themselves out through the carbon.
Colin _________________ www.itinerant-air-cooled.com |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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new spark plug and gapping each
i realy think problem come from pressure
but pump is new filter is new
regulator is old
pressure test tomorrow
nothing come out on the retrurn line! |
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Amskeptic Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2002 Posts: 8568 Location: All Across The Country
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT..... |
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WESTYJACK wrote: |
new spark plug and gapping each
i realy think problem come from pressure
but pump is new filter is new
regulator is old
pressure test tomorrow
nothing come out on the retrurn line! |
The fuel pressure regulator has a check valve that holds back the fuel in the rail if it is under 1 bar.
Colin _________________ www.itinerant-air-cooled.com |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Start but..... |
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I'm going to buy my fuel pressure tester
question
on the double relays each relay was ground by pin 85
where is that ground is it suppose to be with the bolt that hold the 2 relays? |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Start but..... |
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upgrade
fuel test pressure between 3-4 cyl on port 10psi
disconnect gauge and install direct on pump 10psi
WOW BRAND NEW |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Start but..... |
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Sooooooooooo....?
Are you saying "wow, it now drives as if it's brand new", or "wow, I have a brand new gauge"? _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Start but..... |
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wow brand new gauge that resolve my problem
after first reading at 10 psi my brain tell me that new pump not prime because jerrycan is to up on the vehicule
and that's right
prime the pump and start like a new no idle but gonna see later
next problem afert 17 years not moving a think clutch is seize
i got under and the cable work the tranny leveller move
but tranny in 1 clutch down start and the westry move foward |
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