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94s are not a good choice for a bus. What's your ignition? Are you sure it's not too advanced?
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: empi oil cooler kit? |
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Twin spark? Can you be more specific?
What's the tott advance... I wouldn't have e the mechanical past 30° total.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: empi oil cooler kit? |
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Have you talked to the builder?
I'm not a fan of EMPI products. Take a look at Setrab coolers. And make sure you have a thermostat for the fan.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: empi oil cooler kit? |
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| Glenn wrote: |
Have you talked to the builder?
I'm not a fan of EMPI products. Take a look at Setrab coolers. And make sure you have a thermostat for the fan. |
He doesn't believe in coolers, I'll have a look at them  |
Likely for a good reason, maybe he's trying to tell you something?
Listen to your builder, even if he says different things than the shiny magazine ads would lead you to believe is the best advice 
260 in 20 minutes doesn't sound too horrifying, with some fine tuning and the correct weight oil that's something you can get under control without adding extra complicated leak sources to the mix.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: empi oil cooler kit? |
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If he doesn't believe in coolers, then ask him why he sold.you a engine that runs so hot.
Did you spec the engine or did he?
Freeway flyer means lower fan speeds and less cooling.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: empi oil cooler kit? |
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Here's a single Setrab cooler with fan. They make a double also.
Not cheap.. and not EMPI.
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| Hi guys I'm running a 1916cc motor in my 61 bus and its not liking the hot weather, I'm getting temps around 260F on the highway with in 20 mins driving on a hot day (84f) |
1. Which non-external cooler do you have now?
2. Which crankshaft pulley?
3. Which gen/alt pulley?
4. What size cooling fan (inside measurement)?
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| KOMBI NIKO wrote: |
| Hi guys I'm running a 1916cc motor in my 61 bus and its not liking the hot weather, I'm getting temps around 260F on the highway with in 20 mins driving on a hot day (84f) |
1. Which non-external cooler do you have now?
2. Which crankshaft pulley?
3. Which gen/alt pulley?
4. What size cooling fan (inside measurement)? |
I don't have a external cooler on the motor just the internal one.
Pulleys are stock original ones both top and bottom.
Internal fan is also stock.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 am Post subject: Re: empi oil cooler kit? |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| KOMBI NIKO wrote: |
| Hi guys I'm running a 1916cc motor in my 61 bus and its not liking the hot weather, I'm getting temps around 260F on the highway with in 20 mins driving on a hot day (84f) |
1. Which non-external cooler do you have now?
2. Which crankshaft pulley?
3. Which gen/alt pulley?
4. What size cooling fan (inside measurement)? |
I don't have a external cooler on the motor just the internal one.
Pulleys are stock original ones both top and bottom.
Internal fan is also stock. |
There are different stock parts.
Make sure you have a dog house fan shroud along with the correct fan, oil cooler and pulleys. Having a non-dog house fan will not cool correctly.
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How are you measuring this temperature?, ever calibrated the sender in hot water?, got a laser thermometer or long meat thermometer to compare with?
Maybe it's not really as hot as you suspect?
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I don't have a external cooler on the motor just the internal one.
Pulleys are stock original ones both top and bottom.
Internal fan is also stock. |
1. Which is why we asked "Which non-external cooler do you have now?". Non = not. There are three possibilities of stock coolers you could have installed internally.
2. Stock crankshaft pulleys changed outside diameters over the years. Some years getting smaller and some years getting bigger. Bigger OD pulley means higher fan RPM speed in-comparison to the crankshaft RPM, for more air pumped over the engine. Smaller OD means less air....
3. Stock VW gen/alt pulley is larger than the stock Porsche 356 gen/alt pulley for more fan RPM than the stock VW one. See above for what higher fan RPM gives you...
4. As both compression was raised and cubic centimeters of each generation of VW engine increased so did the fan change. Widened a little each time and even the number of fan blades increased in number. EG if you used a stock single port 1500/1600 cc engine fan in an engine with dual port dog house cooler/shroud system, you are going to have a whole lot of cooling engine problem.
So if you could answer the 1, 2, & 4 questions....
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Niko, have a chat with stan.
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