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hobbybob517 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 1194 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:02 am Post subject: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Mine is like this
is the O.D. important?
Haven't got a mic this small.
Meassuring with my calipers it is 15.9 mm.
Thanx. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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anthracitedub Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2007 Posts: 3241 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Smooth enough so it fits in the bore without sticking. I just polished one with a piece of 600 grit pAper. I took a thread tap that would hold it and chucked it in a drill motor... then some light oil with the 600 paper, just enough to smooth it over.
You want the face of it to be true and clean and most importantly, the seat in which it contacts inside the bore. |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:11 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Thanx,
I will lap the face to the seat with some valve grinding paste. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:44 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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a little with 600 then 800 or 1000. I dont know if doing to the face helps or not..probably not. be sure there are no sharp edges. |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:50 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Thanx Mark,
I'll get some 1000 grit tomorrow. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Don't put grinding paste in the block please, it's too easy to get it stuck in the soft metal. you'll likely lap the tool more than the work.
Cut mag with HHS.
Piston OD should be 15.93-15.98mm |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Thanx Modok,
I guess i won't lap it then.
I will take it into work today and mic it. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:08 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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I've made kind a reamer/endmill kind of thing to go in there and square the end of the bore, and I know a lot of other guys have done the same,....but it's not terribly important to do that. Helps keep the idle oil pressure up slightly, but getting the oil pump play down, and making sure the OD of those plungers are not excessively small is more important. They "seal" on the sides mainly anyway, if you look at how the passages are layed out. |
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:27 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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modok wrote: |
Don't put grinding paste in the block please, it's too easy to get it stuck in the soft metal. you'll likely lap the tool more than the work.
Cut mag with HHS.
Piston OD should be 15.93-15.98mm |
^^this, it's all too easy to mess up the case (BTDT) |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9473 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:50 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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Don't lap it in the case!
I would not use anything abrasive. If there are any burrs, just run a very fine file. Using a file to machine and smooth things out is a skill everyone needs to develop. Old craftsmen have used files to finish metal back in the day. And it is still relevant today. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:25 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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I have a reamer shortened recut for end cutting with a sleve aliginement bushing on it for reserfacing the case.I had a moron bring me a 2387 mag case that has the oil gally or the relief hole relocated from the factory so the hole wasent centered witch is fine.but the tool the factory used wasent right for the job and chattered all to hell.so i mad a tool to fix it. other than that ive not seen one that needed reserfacing.I think tomany people think thats a major issue.witch if it's chattered like that one was it may be.but not normaly. better to have a correct size piston that fits right and is smooth. how did it get rough??shit going through the oil. the same moron brought me another newly blown up motor of his(also had less that 1000 miles on it like the first one) and the pistons in it looked as if they had been shot with rat shot from a shot gun.on the top and sides...that motor came from the north west.Im not permited to say the builders name on the samba. he's the winy typ and everett gets enough shit as it is with out a scaming moron crying to him. .
so I wouldent bother reserfacing it if it were me unless it was realy effed up |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 1194 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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I mic-ed the o.d and it's 15.95mm
not sure if i want to file it down, i guess i'll just 1000 grit the high spots off
it asn't stuck in the bore or anything,
just wanted to check if it was ok while i have it out.
Thanx for the tips guys, i appreciate it. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9473 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:44 am Post subject: Re: How smooth should the O.D. of a relief valve be? |
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I did NOT say file it down!
Just run a file lightly on the surface -not digging into it. Any burr that sticks up will get caught in the file.
It is kind of like filing on a lathe. You just lay the file lightly by its weight. The idea is to just barely kiss it.
Better yet, just leave it alone. |
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