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RENTEDCOW Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2017 Posts: 21 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:01 am Post subject: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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Hello,
I just found out from my mechanic that my barn find 1974 Thing with a VW Bus engine has 0 compression in one cylinder and 60 in another cylinder. My mechanic has recommended getting a rebuilt turnkey engine. With it not being the original engine, I wonder if I should send it out to get rebuilt or if the cost is close should I just get a turnkey rebuilt engine
I have to admit this has hit me in the gut. I had hoped the engine was good. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Seriously depressed, Alex from Ohio |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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Hi Alex,
Yeah, that's no fun to hear that. It really depends on what you want to spend compared to what you want to get out of the engine. Plus, is it important to you to keep it original? I sell complete stock engines for $3399, which don't include exhaust or clutch. To rebuild your engine, I would charge $1000 labor plus parts. Most engines end up with a $2000-$2500 bill, depending on what is actually wrong with the engine.
If you would like more info, feel free to email me direct [email protected] _________________ Please "LIKE" us on facebook to see what we are working on.
https://www.facebook.com/mofoco?ref=ts&fref=ts
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tattooed_pariah Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: El Cajon, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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How mechanically inclined are you? This could be a fun opportunity to really get to know your car, tear the engine down, inspect everything and put it back together. Never worked on a Type IV engine before, but I don't think they are very different from Type I's.. _________________ -pariah (just a novice from "that other VW site")
'72 Volksrod "Effigy"
"Never worry about stepping on people's toes. People who get their toes stepped on are either sitting down, or standing still on the job."
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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Sorry it didn't work out how you wanted. Welcome to the vagaries of the VW.
What kind of bus engine? With a good book, or video, and some help from this forum, you can do it yourself, at least you'll know what was done and how.
It could be as simple as setting valve lash, but I'm sure you started with that..
Find out where the compression is leaking out. You might just need new heads, or even just a valve job.
If the bottom end is ok, check endplay, what are oil pressures like, etc.. you could do new heads and P/Cs, not that much invested...
Know anything about it's history? what did plugs and oil look like? These are all clues to the answer to your queries.. |
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RENTEDCOW Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2017 Posts: 21 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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Thanks everyone, I have been humbled by everyone's kindness on responding. My wife just talked with me for a few minutes and offered her condolences. I'm seriously bummed.
With the engine not being original (which did not surprise me). I am not emotionally invested in this engine. Right now I am going to separate the frame from the body. My first task is to cut out the floor pans. Sandblast, paint and replace everything that can be replaced.
I will ask a new friend who is a Samba moderator to come and give his opinion. But please keep the suggestions rolling. I sincerely appreciate it. |
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DeathBySnuSnu Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2012 Posts: 1180 Location: MS
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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The good news is that you have a Thing. Not everyone can say that.
What bus engine is in It?
If you have a type 4 bus engine then I would build that one.
If it is an earlier type 1 style engine then anything goes, build It, replace, exchange, whatever. As long as it is not the original. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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nothing special, everyone has some~thing . it kinda depends on what you want and your wallet. it may just need a little it may need a lot you may send it to a moron or you may send it to somebody that knows what there doing.or you may buy a new zero mile turn key engine. or zero mile long block and hope you local guy dosent eff it up with the rest of the work ittell need.
personaly if I had the $$ and not the time or ability to do it I would do a CB or scat turn key big motor...big as in 2276 or bigger. as mild or wicked as you wish. |
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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RENTEDCOW wrote: |
Hello,
I just found out from my mechanic that my barn find 1974 Thing with a VW Bus engine has 0 compression in one cylinder and 60 in another cylinder. My mechanic has recommended getting a rebuilt turnkey engine. With it not being the original engine, I wonder if I should send it out to get rebuilt or if the cost is close should I just get a turnkey rebuilt engine
I have to admit this has hit me in the gut. I had hoped the engine was good. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Seriously depressed, Alex from Ohio |
I think you need to find a new mechanic.
Bus engine has 0 compression in one cylinder and 60 in another cylinder to me mean many things mostly
means you need to remove the heads, and have a look at the valves, seats, and valve spring tension.
Your Mechanic wants to slap in a rebuilt turnkey because he doesn't have time to deal with you,
or doesn't have the skills to do what's required.
Given that you're going to do the pan work and such on your Thing, you have the skills to deal with installing a long block.
You don't need no stink'n Mechanic to install a Turn key either.
So here is what I'd do
Aircooled.net Long Block
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Aircooled-Net-Better-...-block.htm
Or MoFoCo Long Block
http://www.mofoco.com[url]/item/New_MoFoCo_Aircool...c164[/url]
Also there is no hurry on doing this, wait until you finish body & chassis.
You can pull the motor, remove and verify you have all the correct cooling tin, Flaps, Thermostat, etc
and restore the tin, as you do your body work.
The motor shown is a dual port 1600, it should have a dog house oil cooler set up.
The carb, and distributor on the motor do not match the motor, but may still work well together.
What is the number stamped on the case just below the Generator Stand,
and can you take a photo of the yellow sticker under the distributor? _________________ Good Luck
Al |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9437 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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you just need the motor gone through, ok? this comes w/ owning a VW. The question is do you have more money or time?
in this hobby you have to know pretty much everything about your car.
what are your plans for the motor? or to get the car running in no time? |
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satterley_sr Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 650 Location: Belleville,MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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I get a lot of people from Ohio come to me for re-builds, I'm just outside of Detroit. PM me if interested. _________________ DDC racing |
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RENTEDCOW Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2017 Posts: 21 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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Hello Everyone. I dropped the engine and the transmission. Taking the transmission on Thursday over to Geno in Elizabeth, PA to go over it. Afterwards taking the engine down to Bugstuff.
I was asked the yellow sticker on the engine which shows it was a factory rebuilt engine. sticker says "08410".
Below the generator there is "Zundfolge 1-4-3-2" and "126A-097078"
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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satterley_sr Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 650 Location: Belleville,MI
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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I have taken apart a few VW Canada re-builds. Not impressed with the quality compared to OG builds. _________________ DDC racing |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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That 126 A number indicates that a stationary industrial engine was used, with maybe odd valve sizes, odd valve retainers, low compression pistons, etc..
So probably not line-bored, could be a good starting point for a new engine. |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9437 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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So...where are we on the engine build?
let me know, I have a couple of engines I want to sell. VA is a skip and hop from you.
I am planning to drive up to Omaha end of month so maybe I can drop one off to you.
PM me |
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PatrickK Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2014 Posts: 4 Location: Northern Utah
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Engine is crap, rebuild it or buy a rebuild turnkey engine ? |
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Sounds like you found yourself a fun project! My first VW was a '67 Beetle that was in pieces and stripped down to bare metal with no engine or transmission. Four years later I have a running car that looks great and is a blast to drive. It took a lot of work, but it has been worth every second!
The engines are quite simple. The suggestions made above are great. Don't be afraid to pull the engine and dig in to see what's going on for yourself. There's is a plethora of knowledge and experience in the webpages and all over the internet that will help with any question you come up with.
Good luck and don't get discouraged! |
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