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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Don't you have a pizza to eat? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3296 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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too late Iam on desert. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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bigbore wrote: |
too late Iam on desert. |
Ah. The Gobi or the Sahara? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3296 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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and its abit of a drive from hear------sorry here. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20233 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Tram wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I seem to do more time defending the decision to swap than actually enjoying the outcome...its sad, and getting old.... |
Then don't. |
Nutshell. _________________ nothing |
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Ride_On Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 385 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Ya... where the heck did that Ride_On guy go??!?! Oh wait... oops...
I'm not dead yet!
Turned into a busy week - daddy daycare for our oldest for the last week of the summer, plus trying to take on a job on the bus that... well... I just threw in the towel on for now! Plus, we're heading out camping for the upcoming long weekend as well.
Trip pics and details yet to come - sorry. I'll post a new thread and a pointer post in this thread. For now, if you like a quick taste, some pics by day (or night rather) are up on my Instagram www.instagram.com/pskafel
I'll post up a more detailed look at our rationale too - for sure my/our rationale is biased towards swapping, so there will be some holes easily shot into it, but it might be useful to someone.
The job that has been 'paused'? Re-indexing the rear suspension. Funny thing... the bolts are a little rusty. The steering damper was still original... the shocks may be. Anyways, with us taking the bus out tomorrow evening for the weekend and the in-laws taking it out next Tuesday for the rest of the week, it would have been foolish to continue. Instead, I'll throw the rear wheels back on, make sure I have the parking brake back to proper tension and do an oil change tomorrow. Picking up our new hitch rack from the bike shop tomorrow too. 2 wheel freedom machines on the back of our 4 wheel freedom machine - can't wait!
More soon...
Spike0180 wrote: |
Wow, this went sideways fast.
Hey Ride_On, where were those pictures of the trip? Did I just miss them in the BS or were the external of TheSamba?
Sincerely,
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_________________ 1977 Westfalia 2.0 FI Skills EJ25 w SubaruGears 5sp
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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I'm not dead yet!
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You're not fooling anyone, you know.
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Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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cdennisg wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I seem to do more time defending the decision to swap than actually enjoying the outcome...its sad, and getting old.... |
Then don't. |
Nutshell. |
here is something you can put in your nutshell...
the reason I do defend the conversions is this:
when the client gets all of this negativity it installs doubt in their minds. this doubt usually comes at the 2/3 point in a conversion....so I have to do damage control by guys I have never met so the client can sleep at night.
these guys spend money on a conversion that the general public wishes they had, so when 2,3,4,5 asshats come on and run their mouth it makes the client get a pit in their stomach. THAT is why I defend them. and, that is also the reason I haven't posted much other work on here, and try my best to have the client NOT start a build thread.
funny, because this is the only marque that has so much hate between models/generations.....you don't ever see it with the domestic guys _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Jake Raby Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2003 Posts: 7433 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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For the 4 years or so that we did the Suby engine development for buses, and the installs l learned a lot about the general folks wanting to do the swap.
Most of them had bad experiences with aircooled engines. Later l would find that most of those issues were because they tried to cut corners, of half- way did things. They would often times fault the engine, but it wasn’t the fault of the engine. Aircooled engines are unforgiving to being ran out of tune, and etc.
That said, l had two very different group of people inquire about those Suby swap purchases. One groups would spend what it took to do it right, and make the sub- systems be as “right” as possible. They would spend what was required to make this happen.
The other group was the inverse of what l’ve stated above. They only wanted to do the Suby swap because it appeared to be cheaper.
Having done hundreds of T4 builds, and a few dozen Suby swaps before giving up on that market in 2015, l can tell you that the Suby was certainly NOT “cheaper’” if done right. Was the Suby swap better when done right? l have to say that it was, in my experience.
The “cheapest” full Suby swap that l performed was 44k, all inclusive, including my built JR26-28 Touring Special engine, fully built. l never cared for throwing a used engine in the vehicle.
Anyway, there’s some insight from the opposite side of the spectrum for you all to chew on.
l enjoyed developing all the Suby parts, exhaust systems, engine hangers, internal components, and etc. l keep telling Skills that he needs to buy all of that stuff from me
Anyway, today l am personally building the T4 engines again, and enjoying every minute of it. The demand for those has never diminished, and we’ve started new manufacturing for many parts in USA. Meanwhile my team is working on a 14 month backlog of watercooled Porsche engines, some as new as 2018 _________________ Jake Raby
Raby Engine Development
www.rabyenginedevelopment.com
"I've never given anyone Hell, I just told them the truth and they thought it was Hell" |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3790 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Jake Raby wrote: |
<snip> Anyway, today l am personally building the T4 engines again, and enjoying every minute of it. The demand for those has never diminished, and we’ve started new manufacturing for many parts in USA. Meanwhile my team is working on a 14 month backlog of watercooled Porsche engines, some as new as 2018 |
Please do an oil pump fix/upgrade that we can all hang our hats on |
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Jake Raby Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2003 Posts: 7433 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Busstom wrote: |
Jake Raby wrote: |
<snip> Anyway, today l am personally building the T4 engines again, and enjoying every minute of it. The demand for those has never diminished, and we’ve started new manufacturing for many parts in USA. Meanwhile my team is working on a 14 month backlog of watercooled Porsche engines, some as new as 2018 |
Please do an oil pump fix/upgrade that we can all hang our hats on |
l’m just building engines, and making enough of the parts for those engines. l sold the T4 Store to LN Engineering years ago, and l’ll never sell parts again _________________ Jake Raby
Raby Engine Development
www.rabyenginedevelopment.com
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
cdennisg wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I seem to do more time defending the decision to swap than actually enjoying the outcome...its sad, and getting old.... |
Then don't. |
Nutshell. |
here is something you can put in your nutshell...
the reason I do defend the conversions is this:
when the client gets all of this negativity it installs doubt in their minds. this doubt usually comes at the 2/3 point in a conversion....so I have to do damage control by guys I have never met so the client can sleep at night.
these guys spend money on a conversion that the general public wishes they had, so when 2,3,4,5 asshats come on and run their mouth it makes the client get a pit in their stomach. THAT is why I defend them. and, that is also the reason I haven't posted much other work on here, and try my best to have the client NOT start a build thread.
funny, because this is the only marque that has so much hate between models/generations.....you don't ever see it with the domestic guys |
when the client gets all of this negativity it installs doubt in their minds. this doubt usually comes at the 2/3 point in a conversion....so I have to do damage control by guys I have never met so the client can sleep at night.
Then keep it a secret till it's done and the client is satisfied. I realize I'm way behind the times here (it's 2018 and I still don't do Fakebook or own a cell phone- and I find my life more serene as a result than most) but I don't understand this seeming inherent need to post about EVERYthing until you are certain of the results. Yes, I've done it, but only in attempting to seek guidance on things I've not encountered before.
Why open yourself up to needless distractions and bullshit? Seriously.
funny, because this is the only marque that has so much hate between models/generations.....you don't ever see it with the domestic guys
ROTFLMAO. Dude... don't kid yourself.
I've been around the block on this more than once and in spite of all the crap this is still, hands down, the best automotive site out there. BAR. NONE. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3296 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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oh crap tram I guess Iam not the only one with no cell phone and the closest I get the social media is sites like this and as you seen Iam not on here much I guess I have mobetter things to do then have a cell phone glued to my face. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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71whitewesty Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2010 Posts: 1538 Location: oregon
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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I’ve been following this thread all along. Nice build Skills and sounds like Rideon is stoked. That’s all that really matters. I don’t think there’s that much hate here. Globespotter came back and apologized for getting everyone panties in a bunch. Now he’s gone. Never met him but seemed like a great guy with his other posts. Bummer you guys couldn’t just let that go really. Discussion is ok even if they ask questions we’d rather not answer. It’s a good community here once you get the hang of everyone. Definitely the best place to go for all VW related stuff. I’ve learned practically everything I know because of this group. (Ok, that might not be much but I’m still learning ).
I’m a stock guy but don’t care at all what anyone else puts in their bus. As long as you’re having a good time with it.
That’s said (I’m a cheap bastard too) I run the crap out of my stock 1600 in my westy (talking bus 2 here). For the last 4.5 years and 35,000 miles on long, over loaded trips with my family of 4 and have done nothing but change the oil and adjust the valves. Lots and lots of days going over big passes in over 100 degree days. No idea what my cylinder heads temps are since I run no gauges. This year I finally put a new (used) set of points in and a new fan belt. That’s it. Still doesn’t leak a drop of oil. It could blow up tomorrow and I’d be happy as heck still. Meanwhile I have put together a back up engine when the day does come for a new one. I’m slow, sure and I don’t care. I don’t have A.C. and I don’t care (we pull over and swim) winter heat is fine but I don’t drive it too much in the winter to save the rest of the bus. Total cost for the running engine and the back up long block is about $5,500. I have someone build the long block for me. So for me, it’s super simple and it’s been basically dirt cheap and unbelievably reliable and good running for any car especially one that’s nearing 50 years old.
So for me, this has really worked out well. No hate toward the suby swaps though. I’m sure they are kick ass. I’m just too cheap and have had too much luck with stock to consider it.
I think people like to debate the swaps but I don’t see too much hate with them. Debate/discussion is an ok thing.
We really derailed Ride-Ons thread here. It’s a good thread though and I’ve enjoyed all the posts.
I hope we can convince globespotter to come back. _________________ 71 Westy 1600 DP, all stock Bus 1
1970's Snow Trac 1600 SP (sold 12/2016)
1968 Tucker sno cat, sold 2021
1969 Tucker Sno cat 542
2017 VW Alltrac
71 tin top stock 1600 DP (project but runs)
Twin 71 White Westy, Bus 2, that I pulled from a 15 year slumber in a dry eastern WA field in 2015.
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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bigbore wrote: |
oh crap tram I guess Iam not the only one with no cell phone and the closest I get the social media is sites like this and as you seen Iam not on here much I guess I have mobetter things to do then have a cell phone glued to my face. |
My brotha by anotha motha. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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71whitewesty wrote: |
I’ve been following this thread all along. Nice build Skills and sounds like Rideon is stoked. That’s all that really matters. I don’t think there’s that much hate here. Globespotter came back and apologized for getting everyone panties in a bunch. Now he’s gone. Never met him but seemed like a great guy with his other posts. Bummer you guys couldn’t just let that go really. Discussion is ok even if they ask questions we’d rather not answer. It’s a good community here once you get the hang of everyone. Definitely the best place to go for all VW related stuff. I’ve learned practically everything I know because of this group. (Ok, that might not be much but I’m still learning ).
I’m a stock guy but don’t care at all what anyone else puts in their bus. As long as you’re having a good time with it.
That’s said (I’m a cheap bastard too) I run the crap out of my stock 1600 in my westy (talking bus 2 here). For the last 4.5 years and 35,000 miles on long, over loaded trips with my family of 4 and have done nothing but change the oil and adjust the valves. Lots and lots of days going over big passes in over 100 degree days. No idea what my cylinder heads temps are since I run no gauges. This year I finally put a new (used) set of points in and a new fan belt. That’s it. Still doesn’t leak a drop of oil. It could blow up tomorrow and I’d be happy as heck still. Meanwhile I have put together a back up engine when the day does come for a new one. I’m slow, sure and I don’t care. I don’t have A.C. and I don’t care (we pull over and swim) winter heat is fine but I don’t drive it too much in the winter to save the rest of the bus. Total cost for the running engine and the back up long block is about $5,500. I have someone build the long block for me. So for me, it’s super simple and it’s been basically dirt cheap and unbelievably reliable and good running for any car especially one that’s nearing 50 years old.
So for me, this has really worked out well. No hate toward the suby swaps though. I’m sure they are kick ass. I’m just too cheap and have had too much luck with stock to consider it.
I think people like to debate the swaps but I don’t see too much hate with them. Debate/discussion is an ok thing.
We really derailed Ride-Ons thread here. It’s a good thread though and I’ve enjoyed all the posts.
I hope we can convince globespotter to come back. |
Agreed. However, giving skills shit is mandatory. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Tram wrote: |
Agreed. However, giving skills shit is mandatory. |
He gives as good as he gets. |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5680 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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Some interesting conversation in here recently.
As the owner of a converted Bus and a [later] stock-engined Bus, this sort of conversation is always fun to consider.
Just yesterday a friend brought her Subaru over for me to figure out what the funny noise was. As I was looking at the motor, I was certainly thinking about how nice it would look in the back of a Bus! (Noise was actually the aux cable causing some kind of feedback through the stereo, ha ha.)
I like the TDI in my '78, but in the future I'm not sure I want to have the added complexity of turbos and things like that. So while hopefully I am still along ways from needing to do something in my '73 (the 2.0 is still running quite strong) I like to think about where I might go with it, and the Subaru option seems quite tempting.
So while i understand that sometimes these threads get a little crazy, I personally very much appreciate the work that goes into both the Buses, and sharing the information in the threads, as I find it inspiring and helpful. _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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tristessa wrote: |
He gives as good as he gets. |
and you're right...but do you think sparring with someone who thinks oil bath air cleaners and points are the wave of the future is really worth my time?
I work on cars with big scary multiplexed systems that shoot lasers into fiber optic cables to make sub systems like media/Bluetooth/hvac work....
I am done lowering myself to that level. not worth the brain power. but, if you can put 2 and 2 together you will see a small handful that trolls every single thread I have on this subject. you will see that they are festering pustules of malignant ooze generated deep in the bowel right next to the chocolate starfish before it does a 180* and comes spewing right out of their cocksucker before it shits all over peoples work, decisions and efforts to keep these things rolling forward.
is it because they don't have the skills, money or ability to pull it off, or is it because they are stuck in a decade of mediocrity....a decade that they are stuck in because progress is scary? I can't answer that....what I can answer is I don't care if I ever post another conversion on here....ever. if a client want to post one, they can post progress photos and have all of the "fun" themselves.
there are 8 people on this forum I give a shit about. the rest....I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire
mr and mrs ride-on...you know how to find me. I'm done here _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Ride-On goes Subaru power |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
tristessa wrote: |
He gives as good as he gets. |
and you're right...but do you think sparring with someone who thinks oil bath air cleaners and points are the wave of the future is really worth my time?
I work on cars with big scary multiplexed systems that shoot lasers into fiber optic cables to make sub systems like media/Bluetooth/hvac work....
I am done lowering myself to that level. not worth the brain power. but, if you can put 2 and 2 together you will see a small handful that trolls every single thread I have on this subject. you will see that they are festering pustules of malignant ooze generated deep in the bowel right next to the chocolate starfish before it does a 180* and comes spewing right out of their cocksucker before it shits all over peoples work, decisions and efforts to keep these things rolling forward.
is it because they don't have the skills, money or ability to pull it off, or is it because they are stuck in a decade of mediocrity....a decade that they are stuck in because progress is scary? I can't answer that....what I can answer is I don't care if I ever post another conversion on here....ever. if a client want to post one, they can post progress photos and have all of the "fun" themselves.
there are 8 people on this forum I give a shit about. the rest....I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire
mr and mrs ride-on...you know how to find me. I'm done here |
Awww. did I hit a noive?
Show me where I ever put down your work, whether I agree with it or not. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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