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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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my understanding is that some of the T3 motors were performance motors - 1500 with higher compression and performance. One probably wants to look at the combustion chambers in the heads to see if they were made for a domed piston. Frankly we are pushing a rock uphill on this one I think. Robbie's bus is almost 50 years old so if one wants a perfectly matching stock parts number engine they will have to scour every corner of the globe and spend lots of $$ to find all those perfectly matching parts. Then the next question is why did almost everyone post 1971 want to convert their single port internal oil cooler engine to a dog house dual port engine... _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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Brian wrote: |
I think we're just wasting time until something happens with this build |
Correct.
SGKent, I originally went single port because the quality of available rubber dual port boots could not keep up with my travel schedules. Then my "butt dyno" tests feel that the single ports have a lower power band than a dual port, which means spending less time at high RPMs between shifts in the mountains. The only reason I would go dual port is if I go T1 fuel injection, which won't happen until they run out of carburetors......
I've been running the doghouse cooler setup on a single port engine since I built it, and it's a perfect combo for what I need- Economical, easy, and smooooooooth.
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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1964 & 1965 has the 1500 S motor or the dohmed 83mm pistons. The 371 B cylinder head is correct for that time. It also uses the shorter top row case studs. So if unless you have a bus case where someone pulled the top row of studs and put the shorter ones on like a 1500 then Id think you would be fine.
When I did the clean up on my 1500 S for the 64 notch I went back to this lesser head as it worked fine before I pulled it apart and I didn't want to deal with the stud issue to use my other later heads. Lazy quick option won out.
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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Holy hell, that piston is pregnant _________________ Wash your hands
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Bleyseng Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 4752 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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Hey, that looks just like my old 64 1500S engine _________________ 70 Ghia Black convert-9/69 build date-stock w/133k 1600 SP-barn find now with a rebuilt tranny and engine
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6986 Location: Durango, CO
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5998 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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richparker wrote: |
Just left JAD Machine. One look at these pics and he instantly said that they are T3 heads.
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Well yeah the part number beginning with 311 kinda gives it away _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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sjbartnik wrote: |
richparker wrote: |
Just left JAD Machine. One look at these pics and he instantly said that they are T3 heads.
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Well yeah the part number beginning with 311 kinda gives it away |
I know right. I can't believe you guys don't know this 101 VW stuff
I may have to call for a council of the highest order. Pull everyone in for a beer to speak of this.
And in defence of some of the younger crowd. I have been a Type 3 A-Hole since I was 14. Im 46 now. Bus affascinato - always but an owner since 2010 is all.
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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Lots of this going on ^^ about those being "Type 3 heads"..
So...
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6986 Location: Durango, CO
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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I don't think they're VW heads at this point _________________ Wash your hands
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Bleyseng Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 4752 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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It says " first on the 67 type 3 and on the 71 type 2 and that's what I remember as the 67 1600 type 3 came with the dual port heads and I was using those plus switching to the dual port manifolds on the rebuilds I did back then. _________________ 70 Ghia Black convert-9/69 build date-stock w/133k 1600 SP-barn find now with a rebuilt tranny and engine
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7635
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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I'm going to go with whatever Bleyseng says. _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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Part numbers from the bay bus parts book, reminding us that not all bus parts start with a number two:
Crankcase: 113 101 025
Flywheel: 311 105 271
Cylinder head: 311 101 353A
Door lock release lever: 411 837 072
I have bigger fish to fry than this shit. If you need me, I'll be waxing the pedals, detailing the dashboard screws, and making sure my firewall screws are painted white. You know, stuff that matters more than the bug that these heads came off of…
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Part numbers from the bay bus parts book, reminding us that not all bus parts start with a number two:
Crankcase: 113 101 025
Flywheel: 311 105 271
Cylinder head: 311 101 353A
Door lock release lever: 411 837 072
I have bigger fish to fry than this shit. If you need me, I'll be waxing the pedals, detailing the dashboard screws, and making sure my firewall screws are painted white. You know, stuff that matters more than the bug that these heads came off of…
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Sweet!.....a 411 door lock release lever.....welcome to the world of ugly and sophisticated!
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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You know, stuff that matters more than the bug that these heads came off of…
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Type 3, you mean.
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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I would think a part that was designed and first to be used on would get the "Type" tag. For no other reason than that because its used on it first AND has the PN on it.
The Type 3 heads on a Bay window bus is truly an acceptable and apt part to use. Type 3 dont get no respect either.
I do agree with the fact that the Type 3 heads are for both - T3 and Bus. But its still a T3 head used on a bus Or to feel better just say its an inter changeable part used on some other ACVW's as well
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Robbie is building another engine… |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
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Lots of this going on ^^ about those being "Type 3 heads"..
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Last bit o info. Proof.
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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