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RobnRae Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2017 Posts: 34 Location: Kingston, ON
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:55 am Post subject: Ventilation/heater controls |
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Brand new to the air cooled nation. Bought a nice 72 bay window and have figured out most except for how to work the heating and airflow in the bus. There are two levers with blue knob and two with red knobs. And I think that there’s a switch that I can flip it’s my foot and another on the base of my seat, that also have something to do with airflow.
Basically, living in Canada I’m wondering how to keep warm this winter!
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3844 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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One place you might want to check also is the "Technical" drop-down menu up top on TheSamba banner, then select Owner's Manuals. The manual for your vehicle probably offers a bunch of interesting tidbits for your model. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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Yes find your owner's manual in the TECHNICAL section. Also read the Blumaxx thread and see what you can do to make your heater work significantly better than stock.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=371749&highlight=bluemax%2A
If your bus was originally sold in Canada, maybe you will be lucky and have a gas heater. What heater like controls do you have on your dash besides the levers? |
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static Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2002 Posts: 1831 Location: The High Desert
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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RobnRae wrote: |
Basically, living in Canada I’m wondering how to keep warm this winter! |
Garage it until May, unless you live in the NWT.
(In that case, keep it garaged until July.) |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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static wrote: |
RobnRae wrote: |
Basically, living in Canada I’m wondering how to keep warm this winter! |
Garage it until May, unless you live in the NWT.
(In that case, keep it garaged until July.) |
simpler than that - don't drive it just around town, or downhill and it will heat the bus fine. The heaters work great at freeway speeds or uphill.
Buy mittens, hooded sweat shirt and coat now before the cold weather sets in. In lieu of a hooded sweat shirt you can wear a ski hat. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51128 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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Welcome to TheSamba, Bay Window Bus Forum!
1972 NEWBIE
1972 Bay one year only list
The '72 only photos thread
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Every Type IV engine owner should know this!!!
If you over tighten the Oil Strainer bolt, you will brake the engine case!
There is a Oil strainer in there.
TORQUE THE STRAINER BOLT TO NO MORE THAN 9 FT. LBS. |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5995 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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Important thing to know about these cars is that the cool/fresh air ventilation is split from the heat system.
The blue levers control only the fresh air ventilation. That air comes in through the grille on the nose. Those levers just operate some flaps that open or close as desired. Those flaps should have some kind of seal on them so that they seal when closed. Usually it's rotted away leading to cold drafts in the winter. You will want to fix that up.
The fresh air ventilation is ducted to the outlets at the outer edge of the dashboard as well as to the base of the windshield.
The heat system is entirely separate - air for cabin heat is taken in by the engine cooling fan in the engine compartment, passed through the heat exchangers, and ducted up a pipe underneath the center of the Bus. The vent outlets under the rear seat, in the walk-through, and in the front footwells are for heat only.
That heat duct also runs up to defroster vents at the base of the windshield.
Before it gets cold out it's worth going through the whole system, making sure all joints are tight, no air leaks, etc. Might want to take down the central pipe and vacuum it out; I found a bunch of crap in mine impeding airflow.
Good time also to check and adjust all vent control cables in the system - as these open and close the various vents to direct the heat where you want it.
As mentioned above see the owner's manual for specifics on how your system works, it changed slightly year by year. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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hiwaycallin Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Salmon Arm, BC
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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sjbartnik, what a great explanation of the heating and ventilation system! I've had my bus for nearly 10 years and still didn't fully understand exactly how those levers work |
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RobnRae Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2017 Posts: 34 Location: Kingston, ON
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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Thank you for the info everyone |
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Oilspot11 Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Green Mountain Falls, Colorado
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fes Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 999 Location: Prince Edward Island
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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I drove around many a winter in south western BC and Vancouver Island in a Bus..
The best tool you can utilize is a small hand held squeegee..you will be quite often clearing moisture from the windshield and windows..
This job is the responsibility of the shotgun passenger unless driving solo..
And make a habit of sopping all that water off the dash regularly. _________________ '68 Campmobile-Pedro
'15 Golf-Stella Blau
'56 Oval-The Turd (for now) |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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fes wrote: |
I drove around many a winter in south western BC and Vancouver Island in a Bus..
The best tool you can utilize is a small hand held squeegee..you will be quite often clearing moisture from the windshield and windows..
This job is the responsibility of the shotgun passenger unless driving solo..
And make a habit of sopping all that water off the dash regularly. |
That is funny, in my old Bug I used to have one, at the ready, stored in the passenger grab handle.
Instead of Bud vases, VW should have offered squeegee's.
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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Add a Dayton centrifugal blower
https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Model-2C646-Blower-Volts/dp/B00DSMC744
at point 5 in the drawing and you will more than double the air fllow to the front of the passenger cabin. A plastic bilge blower will work as well but you need to take precautions to keep it from overheating. The bilge blower has the advantage on how easy it is to install, but the centrifugal fan will be more effective at moving air. At this point with all my modifications I am getting somewhere around 4 times the stock amount of heat into the cabin when out on the highway. |
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pittwagen Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2005 Posts: 765 Location: North of the 49th parallel
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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I like that. It would not be too difficult to make some round flanges and then hook it up under the front floor. Add a 3 sp switch and away you go. Lots of air for slow speed city driving.
I live in the north east area of metro van. My bus sits outside and I never need to wipe the inside of the windows. Start the bus run both front a back fans and away we go. BN4 for those way below freezing mornings. I drive it year round. 4 C-rated winter tires. None of this parking it in the winter BS.
To the Original Poster. Does your heating system function as it should? Gas heater? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51128 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Ventilation/heater controls |
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I have a very similar blower in the 71, it came from a Datsun 311 but it looks just like that Dayton unit. I put it in the center heat tube under the cargo floor, not super great for ground clearance when offroading but I haven't squished it yet. I used a couple PVC sewer elbows and wrapped the whole thing with foil bubble insulation and foil tape, then spooged the sh*t out of it with undercoating. Right now I have it tapped into the useless rear defrost switch but I plan on robbing a heater lever from a 72 with the contact on it and operating it with a relay one of these days.
Best single improvement I've ever done to the bus, the windshield defrosts in a few minutes and the bus gets unbearably warm inside after 20+ minutes, yes you really do have to turn down the heat on a cold winter day. I've hauled 8 soaking wet Air cadets to and from events on pissing down cold November days and the windows that mattered were still clear.
Sorry for the shitty pic, bad light and operator error. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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