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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:29 pm Post subject: Correct year |
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Perhaps some other members can chime in and convince the guy who's advertising this bug for sale that it is NOT a 1965 model ...my opinion based soley on the size of the rear quarter windows. He insists that its a 65 ..because (get this) ...it's registered as 65 !! (good grief). Just part of my personal mission to change the world!! www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2089820 _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3622 Location: CT
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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There is something wrong about that bug.... but I can't place my finger on it. It's definitely not a '65, but it's also got the late rear decklid and apron and a straight shifter. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
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He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34009 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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Lots of possibilities, but since he's grafted in a much later rear decklid, the waters are muddied. The chassis may or may not match the body now. "IRS tranny"? Dual port motor? Obviously a heavily modified car.
I agree the basic body looks like a pre-'65. The exception may be that some non-German built cars (Mexico, maybe Australia or in Africa) used a body that kept the older window size.
But who cares? If you want to buy it, maybe it matters, but there's no sense expending effort to try to convince a seller of what he has.
And Frankenbeetles rarely command top dollar. He's asking a lot. Unless it's exactly the hybrid you are looking for, no sense in looking at it. |
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planenut Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2012 Posts: 334 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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Almost looks like a '70. Did they have the vented deck lid? Also, does the tunnel number match the tag up front? |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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Look at the window openings. Not a USA 65 in my opinion. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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Heater controls are 65+. Frankenbug is probably titled on the later pan.
Whoever buys it will have a lot of work ahead of them undoing the nonsense that’s been done to it. Will see it as a fire sale in a few years or sold off for parts. I look at something like this and if he cares that little that he puts late fenders, decklid and apron on an early car, what other atrocities has he hidden under all that primer? _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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There was a guy that lived in the same apartment building I lived in Hermosa Beach Ca. in 1972. This guy had a 67 Beetle in Java Green. The car was a 6 volt that had the 1958-1964 body and a 1200 40hp. I found out from the owner that it was a 67 Mexican Beetle.
I have a friend that lives in Pismo Beach Ca. who's father was a VW dealer in Hamburg Germany and he gave her a new 67 beetle to go to school. She shipped the Beetle to the port of Los Angeles Ca. so she would have a car while she went to UCLA. Well she still has the car and it's a 67 6V. 1300.
Point is, there are many possibilities. Don't get me started on 1200 "A's" and Brazilian cars. |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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He's got more problems than we can help solve here. Condition: Excellent? Ready for paint? Let him bleed out in the whines where it belongs. _________________
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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slo356 Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2002 Posts: 365 Location: Central Calif Coast
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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It is possible that the pre-65 body is sitting on a '65 pan.
The VIN number which is stamped on the pan/chassis, legally determines the year of the car, not the body or engine number. A longtime ago the year of all cars was determined by the engine serial number…this was really confusing when people started swapping engines. Forgot the year but the manufacturers, with the urging of the government, switched to the chassis number as to determine the model year.
So, it could be legally a '65... _________________ '65 T1 Sedan
'87 T3 Syncro
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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slo356 wrote: |
It is possible that the pre-65 body is sitting on a '65 pan. The VIN number which is stamped on the pan/chassis, legally determines the year of the car, not the body or engine number. A longtime ago the year of the car was determined by the engine serial number…this was really confusing when people started swapping engines. Forgot the year but manufacturers with the earning of the government, switched to the chassis number to determine model year.
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When Iwas a kid, I put a 71 body on a 63 pan. car registered as a 63. the pan is what counts in california for the vin and year id. _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Aussiebug Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2002 Posts: 2162 Location: Adelaide Australia
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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The floor pan is 68 or earlier (the heater vents moved to under the door in 69).
The rear mud guards are 68 or later (bumper mounting slots).
The 4-slot engine lid is 74 or later, and wont fit on a pre 68 body without a lot of mods.
No rear quarter vents so the body is pre 72.
If the fuel filler has a finger indent, it's a 68 body. If it has no finger indent, it's a 69-71 body.
Could be a 68-71 body on a 65 pan. _________________ Rob
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26320 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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One thing I notice on the body is that there are 4 screw holes for the door hinges. VW stopped doing that on German made models near the end of April, 1962. Not sure if/when that change was made outside of Germany though. _________________ Andy T.
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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hodge podge for sure. Has the hole next to the ashtray for choke cable, has holes for grab handle and no washer squirter. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9651 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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Pan is a '71 or '72: Late heater control knobs ('65 and a few years later would have round black ball knobs), wide "T"-profile seat tracks for only those 2 years, straight shifter ('68 and later), late shifter base with the upturned front and rear edges. The 5-bolt drums in front would be from a '66 or '67 balljoint stub axle. Rear 5-bolt drums appear to not have the ribbed drums which started in '65. Possibly Thing drums? '72 engine lid would be a benefit for a dual-port engine with the 4 rows of cooling slots. A late apron and late engine lid are an unusual modification for an early car; maybe the car had rear collision damage and the seller had these solid parts on hand?
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Has the hole next to the ashtray for choke cable, has holes for grab handle and no washer squirter. |
Good spotting; the choke cable hole would make the body a '60 at latest. Add to that the hole for the fuel reserve tap right above the tunnel.
If the car is solid and unrusted it would be tempting for a NorthEast car, but you'd need to carefully check the registration/title to see that the VIN matches "some" number on the car. |
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eric arnold Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2008 Posts: 6 Location: kill devil hills nc
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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to all this is the owner of this car and not one of you have looked at more then the pics , i bet none of you can or know how to build a car or a motor , you all love to write , but i bet you dont even own tools or have the skills , i have been in the vw world long before some of you were born , with that , you have a nice day |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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eric arnold wrote: |
to all this is the owner of this car and not one of you have looked at more then the pics , i bet none of you can or know how to build a car or a motor , you all love to write , but i bet you dont even own tools or have the skills , i have been in the vw world long before some of you were born , with that , you have a nice day |
I would not take that bet. At least one of the folks here has been working on VWs since the 60s, how old did you say you were? |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Correct year |
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yep none of us know anything about VW's , whether rebuilding a bug or a motor but we can spot a Frankenstein beetle with just a few obscure pics
But are handy with the key board.
All zund's tools are probably borrowed. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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panicman Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2011 Posts: 2290 Location: Canby, OR
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