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Braukuche
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 Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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Thanks.
Judging by those pictures I think I'm fine, though it looks like the lower area behind that fender was stitched on at some point.
It's kind of nuts that the largest expanse of the run, 55-66 they don't sell the correct repair panel, but do offer one for the big bumper cars and the in betweens.
Moved on to the engine compartment. I don't even want to look if they make a correct battery tray so I used a section from a Porsche 356 floor pan and modified it. Pix to come.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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Been a while.
I had two weeks off for Christmas, so I thought I could get all the metal work and major bodywork done and have the thing primered before I return to work tomorrow, but that didn't happen. Instead I found more rot that had to be cut out on the left side rear corner and after sand blasting rust on the rockers I discovered even more rot there. Lucky me.
I also had to sandblast all that surface rust on the right rear quarter and various other places before I could start the bodywork. Using my stud puller I pulled out the panels as much as I could and then commenced with the filler gradually building it up in thin layers until I got most of the right rear smooth. Still need to finish up that rocker.
I also did the rear left section that was rotted out and the left rear rocker. The inner part was rotted so I had to patch that up as well. To avoid the risk of metallic rejection I used pieces from a donor.
To get more accurate patches I cut the rotted sections out, laid them flat and shot paint around them. Works great.
Hopefully this week I can get the metal and bodywork finished and epoxy and poly prime the rear section of the body. I can then move on to the removable panels which are in much nicer shape.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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Finished up my metal work on the main body exterior and then did the body work. It's still rough, but I'd say 90% done but that 10% makes all the difference between a halfass job and a good one.
I shot the epoxy sealer and tomorrow morning will shoot the polyprimer. After that I will focus on the doors, hood and decklid which are mercifully in nice shape, and then will mount them and check and adjust gaps.
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c21darrel
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| great progress, its come a long way! |
Thanks.
Polyprimed the rear today, a mist coat then three thick ones. Should cover most defects but will still have to do some more skimming in small spots for sure and then likely another round of polyprime and block sanding then hopefully tha will do it.
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1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
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c21darrel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| Polyprimed the rear today, a mist coat then three thick ones. |
The sanding primer i am using now...you almost cant mist it, it drys before it hits. Its PPG Shopline JP355, I can have to hold the gun closer and spray moving slowly. I need good light to watch closely to see how it is hitting my target. When used correctly it works great. I'm still learning...using the while on the job method. I remember you get your supplies from TCP, did I ask what products you like to use?
I went from a ghia to working on a DC, massive difference in size and scope! Its like a ghia has 100 parts and DC has 1000, huge learning curve in comparison.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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I must have spent 30 minutes looking at your body work & primer photos. It looks really good. I'll be watching your posts on adjusting panel gaps.
Also noted the deluxe bumper collection. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| Polyprimed the rear today, a mist coat then three thick ones. |
The sanding primer i am using now...you almost cant mist it, it drys before it hits. Its PPG Shopline JP355, I can have to hold the gun closer and spray moving slowly. I need good light to watch closely to see how it is hitting my target. When used correctly it works great. I'm still learning...using the while on the job method. I remember you get your supplies from TCP, did I ask what products you like to use?
I went from a ghia to working on a DC, massive difference in size and scope! Its like a ghia has 100 parts and DC has 1000, huge learning curve in comparison. |
I use the Kustom Shop KPP 105 from TCP. I love that stuff, but you have to use it over epoxy, that's why I shoot the sealing coat over the metal and bondo. The polyprimer sands so nice, I use 125 dry on rubber blocks. Learned from an old timer how to do it after years of doing it wrong (let the block float over the surface, don't push down) and man it just eats up imperfections.
I did a '62 Mosaic Westy camper acouple years ago that was a nightmare, lot of lower rust and shoddy past repairs and worse off some idiot sandblasted it in and out warping every panel, even blowing some off the frame.
Anyway, that project near killed me do I swore off buses for now. Little cars are enough work, right?
Do you have a thread on your D.C.?
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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I must have spent 30 minutes looking at your body work & primer photos. It looks really good. I'll be watching your posts on adjusting panel gaps.
Also noted the deluxe bumper collection. |
Thanks, it's still in its rough stage.
Working outside in what passes for winter and the rainy season, I have to get epoxy and Poly on that thing before the next rain hits otherwise it's flashrust city so I save the detailed stuff for later when I can really take my time and OCD on it.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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c21darrel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| Polyprimed the rear today, a mist coat then three thick ones. |
The sanding primer i am using now...you almost cant mist it, it drys before it hits. Its PPG Shopline JP355, I can have to hold the gun closer and spray moving slowly. I need good light to watch closely to see how it is hitting my target. When used correctly it works great. I'm still learning...using the while on the job method. I remember you get your supplies from TCP, did I ask what products you like to use?
I went from a ghia to working on a DC, massive difference in size and scope! Its like a ghia has 100 parts and DC has 1000, huge learning curve in comparison. |
I use the Kustom Shop KPP 105 from TCP. I love that stuff, but you have to use it over epoxy, that's why I shoot the sealing coat over the metal and bondo. The polyprimer sands so nice, I use 125 dry on rubber blocks. Learned from an old timer how to do it after years of doing it wrong (let the block float over the surface, don't push down) and man it just eats up imperfections.
I did a '62 Mosaic Westy camper acouple years ago that was a nightmare, lot of lower rust and shoddy past repairs and worse off some idiot sandblasted it in and out warping every panel, even blowing some off the frame.
Anyway, that project near killed me do I swore off buses for now. Little cars are enough work, right?
Do you have a thread on your D.C.? |
Thanks for the info and tips!! I could only imagine how much is involved on an F'ed up early camper.
Im using PPG, DP epoxy DTM. It has a 7 day window to topcoat, probaly much like what you are using. I really only have weekends to work so if I cant get the sanding primer on before weekend is over....im sure you know the drill. My painting mentor says just scuff the 7+ day DP and shoot the sanding primer, creating a physical bond. Others say you have to re-shoot the DP and then sanding primer for chemical bond. I just finished my gates and I ended up strip to bare metal, bang/pound/weld then DP. (as a side note, I did insides too. I set the gates one by one in a big plastic tub and pumped phosphoric acid thru the insides. Rinsed and dryed then hand poured a qt Rustoleum with a funnel thru the vent holes to coat the inside. I had to cut open in a few spots and found that I got great coverage. It was a lot of work but insides all protected going forward. ) After bodyworking them I re DP'ed and got them in sanding primer last weekend.
I dont have a thread on the DC, i may do that as I will need lots of help! Its just me, on weekends so progress can be slow.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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That gate looks great!
Getting those flat areas straight has to be a challenge, can't use bondo there!
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
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1963 stretched double cab
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1963 Notchback
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chrisflstf
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| The KG looks great. What Delvilbiss gun are you using? Are you going to paint it yourself? |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| The KG looks great. What Delvilbiss gun are you using? Are you going to paint it yourself? |
Have an old Finishline.
That's the plan. I bought a real compressor so I think I will go ahead and do it myself. Not sure I want to do the cut and buff, so I might hire a detailer to do that bit.
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1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| Polyprimed the rear today, a mist coat then three thick ones. |
The sanding primer i am using now...you almost cant mist it, it drys before it hits. Its PPG Shopline JP355, I can have to hold the gun closer and spray moving slowly. I need good light to watch closely to see how it is hitting my target. When used correctly it works great. I'm still learning...using the while on the job method. I remember you get your supplies from TCP, did I ask what products you like to use?
I went from a ghia to working on a DC, massive difference in size and scope! Its like a ghia has 100 parts and DC has 1000, huge learning curve in comparison. |
What size is the tip on your primer gun? Should be at least 1.8, but I use a 2.2. no point in misting primer anyway.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| The Devilbiss comes with 3 tips, biggest 1.8. But it uses 13 CFM of air at around 23 psi, if I remember. What kind of compressor do you have, Braukuche? And if you dont mind me asking, what do you use for a filter, water sep, etc? |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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| The Devilbiss comes with 3 tips, biggest 1.8. But it uses 13 CFM of air at around 23 psi, if I remember. What kind of compressor do you have, Braukuche? And if you dont mind me asking, what do you use for a filter, water sep, etc? |
I bought a Northstar 60 gallon compressor, belt driven, quite and efficient.
I use a big old Snapon water separator. I run about seven feet of hose to it from the compressor.
I ran 70lbs of air at the valve situated on the out line of the compressor to the rubber hose. It was the only way I could get the Poly to atomize right. My gauge at the gun malfunctioned so I've no idea what actuall pressure was.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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Blech, caught that damn flu last week and was couch ridden since, luckily I got my stuff off to the machinist before then and my son picked up the last of it, the heads yesterday.
One was severely cracked, from plug to plug and in other spots. He had to gouge out the cracks and weld them up and remachine. He got them to match the other set at 45. So know I have the privilege of seeing the Okrasa stamp every time I change my oil.
Pretty pricey to have the work done, and I could have gotten the WW heads, but my rationale is one, I've always wanted to have an Okrasa kit, its why I bought the damn car in the first place cause I needed a home for the engine and I have the rest of the kit and don't see any point in mixing it up.
Anyway, hopefully they will last...won't find out for a while, my son has Dibs on the engine stand for a bus engine he is building.
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1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1956 lowlight restoration |
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So I had the original hood to the car and wanted to use it, but it turned out it was too roached. Like the rest of the car it was rotting from the inside out which is the worst. I managed to fix the rot on the front edge but then what I thought were workable small holes on the boxed frame were surrounded by paper thin rotted areas and there was just no metal to weld to. Luckily the car came with a nice donor hood. Very straight and no rot, though plenty of deep pitting. I had to sand blast the rust off and then epoxy and Poly primed. I also had to adjust the hood gap, way too much on the passenger side so I filled a bit to get it even. It looks off up front because the hood isn't sitting down all the way.
I also began to strip the door. Like the rest of the car it has four coats of paint. The original Gazelle Beige, then silver, then copper and then oxidized pink which looks white.This door has no bondo on it and no apparent damage and no rust. Can't believe how nice it is, wish the rest of the car was like this.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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