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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

'68 Beetle
Non-Doghouse Style Oil Cooler
Where can I find replacement nuts?
Are Nylock nuts available?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Take the oil cooler (for fitting) with you to any ACE Hardware. They should have lots of little drawers in the store, including many metric nuts, bolts, etc. They have nylon lock nuts, too, but I'd just use the washers.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

They're just M6 nuts... nothing special.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

I don't think I'd put nylock on there either. Just a normal M6 spring washer is fine for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Nylocks have worked for me for over 35 years there and on the generator backing plate. That's two places to use them for sure in my book.
Local hardware store should have them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Never had a generator backing plate that used nuts, mine always used 6mm bolt. But if you do use regular 6mm nuts for the oil cooler you do need the spring washer as mentioned and you should also use a flat washer. Oh yea torque is only 5ft pounds,
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

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Never had a generator backing plate that used nuts, mine always used 6mm bolt. But if you do use regular 6mm nuts for the oil cooler you do need the spring washer as mentioned and you should also use a flat washer. Oh yea torque is only 5ft pounds,


How do figure torque when using a self locking nut? Maybe look at the scale see when it moves and add five to that? Just a though I don't use self locking and never had one back off, oh and never have used any thread locker type chemicals either. Have used those to lock a stud in the case but that's a little different.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Ace Hardware has 6.0mm x 1.0mm nuts of all these types, including locknuts.

However, I must state that I've never used locknuts on an oil cooler myself. I DO use brass 8.0 x 1.25mm nuts for the exhaust attachments to the head studs too, and this also allows me to use a smaller size wrench for better clearance/fit (Ace Hardware does NOT have those).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

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busman78 wrote:
Never had a generator backing plate that used nuts, mine always used 6mm bolt. But if you do use regular 6mm nuts for the oil cooler you do need the spring washer as mentioned and you should also use a flat washer. Oh yea torque is only 5ft pounds,


How do figure torque when using a self locking nut? Maybe look at the scale see when it moves and add five to that? Just a though I don't use self locking and never had one back off, oh and never have used any thread locker type chemicals either. Have used those to lock a stud in the case but that's a little different.


Fully agree with Zund. Never use lock nuts or any chemical locking liquids. Have always used spring washers and the correctly torqued measurements. I clean and oil all threads that I torque.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

busman78 wrote:
Never had a generator backing plate that used nuts, mine always used 6mm bolt. ,

Shoulda said where it mounts to the generator Wink
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I've had these come loose so I started using nylocks there and on the oil cooler.
As with anything personal preference.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

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busman78 wrote:
Never had a generator backing plate that used nuts, mine always used 6mm bolt. But if you do use regular 6mm nuts for the oil cooler you do need the spring washer as mentioned and you should also use a flat washer. Oh yea torque is only 5ft pounds,


How do figure torque when using a self locking nut? Maybe look at the scale see when it moves and add five to that? Just a though I don't use self locking and never had one back off, oh and never have used any thread locker type chemicals either. Have used those to lock a stud in the case but that's a little different.


Fully agree with Zund. Never use lock nuts or any chemical locking liquids. Have always used spring washers and the correctly torqued measurements. I clean and oil all threads that I torque.


Spring washer tend to fail from heat when used on exhaust studs on the heads. I use a copper plated self locking all metal nut there, with copius amount of antisieze. works everytime.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

I like both springywashers and nylockes. Ive used springy on ex and no issues with them loosing springyness. I think I use the nylockers on my alt too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

So how do you read torque with a self locking nut?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Zundfolge1432 wrote:
So how do you read torque with a self locking nut?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Got it, back side of the backing plate, never had them come loose, out of site out of mind. I do not use self locking nuts, spring washers do an excellent job, always have always will.

I kind of borrowed this from another site about torquing Nylocks

The rule of thumb is to add the prevailing torque to the torque value when applying torque to a Nylock nut. This is because the prevailing torque doesn't contribute to bolt tightening. It is just friction that needs to be overcome.

For example, a Grade 5 1/4-28 bolt in tension lubricated zinc plating, with a torque of 10.5 lb. ft. produces a clamping load of 2,511 pounds.

If we use a use a Nylock nut that takes 2 lb. ft. of torque to turn, then 2 lb. ft. of torque is used in turning the nut leaving only 8.5 lb. ft. for bolt tension. Our clamping load is reduced to 2,009 pounds.

If, however, we take our original torque of 10.5 and add the 2 that the Nylock requires and set our torque wrench to 12.5, our clamp load is 2,511 pounds. The same as it was without the nylock.

You can use your torque wrench to measure Nylock nut torque and then add this value to the bolt's required torque.

Prevailing torque calculation should be done with your nut and your bolt using your thread lubricant. Published prevailing torque charts may give you an idea of how much torque is used up by the nut's locking feature, but in actual conditions, the results will vary. There is an interaction between the bolt threads, nut locking feature, and the thread lubricant (whether liquid or plating) that makes each prevailing torque calculation unique.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Cooler Nuts - Where To Find Replacements Reply with quote

Zundfolge1432 wrote:
So how do you read torque with a self locking nut?
when my wrist clicks and my eyes roll.like they are doing now. Rolling Eyes
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