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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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well a enormusly large japan steel company just let the cat out of the bag so to speak...and it has a shit load of problems... for over 10 years that have been fudging on the steel grades&puritys&QC& specs & such...for oh somuch specialized steel products set to well over....500 manufacturing companys...including thier own nuclear power plants and aero space manufactures both in japan and around the world...... im sure gladd I get the china cranks&rods in my motors
They are in a world of shit, the primminster was crying on the interview...real tears.the company head looked like he was about to keel over, oh somany heads are going to roll....I hope that have some good swards made before the scam so it's a clean cut. good thing my wifes honda element is a 2005 and made in marrysville ohio..... for std steel products this maens squat, but for specialized items like....AEROSPACE.....and nuclear plants...it aint good. I wonder whoo the whistle blower was...or who checked the steel and found it wasent up to spec... |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34013 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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mark tucker wrote: |
I wonder whoo the whistle blower was...or who checked the steel and found it wasent up to spec... |
Maybe some college students, like with VW... |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9478 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Anything Chinese, other than take-out food, I would not choose first if I can help it.
Japanese stuff have always been associated w/ quality work. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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mark tucker wrote: |
well a enormusly large japan steel company just let the cat out of the bag so to speak...and it has a shit load of problems... for over 10 years that have been fudging on the steel grades&puritys&QC& specs & such...for oh somuch specialized steel products set to well over....500 manufacturing companys...including thier own nuclear power plants and aero space manufactures both in japan and around the world...... im sure gladd I get the china cranks&rods in my motors
They are in a world of shit, the primminster was crying on the interview...real tears.the company head looked like he was about to keel over, oh somany heads are going to roll....I hope that have some good swards made before the scam so it's a clean cut. good thing my wifes honda element is a 2005 and made in marrysville ohio..... for std steel products this maens squat, but for specialized items like....AEROSPACE.....and nuclear plants...it aint good. I wonder whoo the whistle blower was...or who checked the steel and found it wasent up to spec... |
This sounds like fake news. You got a link to that story? |
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Letterman7 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2004 Posts: 3198 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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The US purchases most of it's steel from overseas - very little of it manufactured here stays here. My neighbor (rest his soul) worked for 30 years at Lukens Steel here in PA. All the scrap that was brought to the refinery to be melted into ingots was sold to .. China. Anything produced here for the most part goes overseas, save for the odd military contract. Raw steel that is used in your Honda, Mark, is brought in from overseas. Who knows what the actual material content really is. Blame it on the government and trade unions for not keeping "American" steel on American soils. |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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nsracing wrote: |
Japanese stuff have always been associated w/ quality work. |
Got a feeling you're not talking about anything pre-1970's, prior to then most of what came from Japan was generally considered to be subpar at best. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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For well over 10 years the U.S. has been camouflaging our propensity to exercise utter blind faith in Japanese and other Far Eastern manufacturing countries while hailing them as superior to American. It is we who made the chicken. We force the competition to create standards with which Americans will pay. _________________
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15308 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
This sounds like fake news. You got a link to that story? |
It's real.
I read the story in the business section of our states daily newspaper. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:30 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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just google "Kobe Steel scandel" They admitted to falsifying test results in copper, alum. and steel- the guys running the bullet train over there are shitting twinkies- _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:58 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Letterman7 wrote: |
Blame it on the government and trade unions for not keeping "American" steel on American soils. |
Yet in England, their soda cans are made of "British Steel". _________________ '67 Beetle L41
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
This sounds like fake news. You got a link to that story? |
It's real.
I read the story in the business section of our states daily newspaper. |
Thanks I was going to mention I too remember a time when Japanese stuff was crap, and to think we rebuilt them after WW2 under the Marshall Plan. Chickens are now coming home to roost. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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This explains Toyota's truck frame fiasco. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
This explains Toyota's truck frame fiasco. |
That was a big deal I got paperwork on that but it seems really bad in rust belt. Imagine your less than 5 year old vehicle literally falling apart. I used to hang out over at that forum Tacoma world and the stories were incredible. But to their credit they did buy back a bunch and installed new frames too. |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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First-generation Nissan Pathfinders (thru '95) have the same frame rot issues as the Tacoma, just not as well-publicized. Inspectors in the rust belt know to poke at the rear frame arches and reject for rust. The first-gen XTerras (pre-'05) are built on the same platform--don't know if Nissan fixed the rot problem with them. _________________ Thanks,
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Letterman7 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2004 Posts: 3198 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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67ctbug wrote: |
Letterman7 wrote: |
Blame it on the government and trade unions for not keeping "American" steel on American soils. |
Yet in England, their soda cans are made of "British Steel". |
Rolling your eyes why? We tout "american steel" when it clearly isn't. Britain is probably the same way. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21519 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Actually....and I have read this before snd heard it in numerous interviews as well......US steel production has remained largely unchanged....since 1969....until this year.
Its mostly made in high efficiency mini mills now. The same volume and type of production can be made without all of those huge and widely scattered blast furnaces....sadly.
What makes the difference is that our usage....and the world usage of steel....has increased 100 fold easily since 1969. From another graph I found somewhere dated 2017....I will look for it....US production is 5% of total world production of steel....and China is 51%.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/steel-production
So its untrue for the most part thst US steel manufacturing has dropped compared to the past. However it is true that we do not make most of what we use.
I think the other chart noted that we impirt about 71% of what we use.
We export a good chunk of what we make.....because its specific type, quality or shape.....or perhaps people buy what we e,port because they are closer to us than China. Shipping you know...... Ray |
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:33 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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mid to late 70's they were getting every pellet Australia could produce from the Robe river project- or Hammerly mountain- Now both those mountains are holes in the ground-
Maybe carbon fiber is going to take over completely?? _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:08 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Letterman7 wrote: |
The US purchases most of it's steel from overseas - very little of it manufactured here stays here. My neighbor (rest his soul) worked for 30 years at Lukens Steel here in PA. All the scrap that was brought to the refinery to be melted into ingots was sold to .. China. Anything produced here for the most part goes overseas, save for the odd military contract. Raw steel that is used in your Honda, Mark, is brought in from overseas. Who knows what the actual material content really is. Blame it on the government and trade unions for not keeping "American" steel on American soils. |
You're in the US, on an automotive forum dedicated to vehicles which were exported from Germany around the globe. These same vehicles were sold in the millions in the US market, and you're complaining that (today) US steel companies are selling their product in foreign markets. Your statement is ironic and lacks an understanding of business. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22425 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
TDCTDI wrote: |
This explains Toyota's truck frame fiasco. |
That was a big deal I got paperwork on that but it seems really bad in rust belt. Imagine your less than 5 year old vehicle literally falling apart. I used to hang out over at that forum Tacoma world and the stories were incredible. But to their credit they did buy back a bunch and installed new frames too. |
Well that explains the amount of rust on my Geo Prizm (Toyota Corolla clone). It was built with Japanese steel, and assembled in California.
It also explains the rear quarter rust, and a section of body mount rust on my 99 Honda Accord that was built in Japan. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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williamM wrote: |
just google "Kobe Steel scandel" They admitted to falsifying test results in copper, alum. and steel- the guys running the bullet train over there are shitting twinkies- |
dont eat the twinkies!!!!thats not chocolate on top!!!
I saw it on the international world news.HNK reported it. I wont /dont watch the usa fake news...only face book where papajohn...or horney howeie's groped hillary while bill was blowing donald in the elevator ....as reported by putin.( he was pissed he wasent invited).
even the local news is staged and prescripoted for oh somuch crap. with news stories that are in reality paid adds. not just the illiberal stations either. sinclair brodcasting has the max amout of stations permited...and now...they have a guy in high place in our gov thats going to get that rule changed.(no not donald) , you can watch thier stations all across the usa report the exzact same scripted storys from the head office....many of witch are paid adds dissgized as news... and thier agenda news too and not the hole story....witch will have holes in it too.. no news is unbiased. kinda like ...that blue car rolled over. 6 times..no it was a teal car..8 times....no it was turquoise car..in a ditch.... but they do all agree it smells like poop. |
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