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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3619 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Letterman7 wrote: |
67ctbug wrote: |
Letterman7 wrote: |
Blame it on the government and trade unions for not keeping "American" steel on American soils. |
Yet in England, their soda cans are made of "British Steel". |
Rolling your eyes why? We tout "american steel" when it clearly isn't. Britain is probably the same way. |
I took his statement as using foreign steel here as USA steel here, exactly what you said. I find that very illegal and find it funny how we use "fake" steel for all our stuff but Great Britain uses their steel for soda cans... _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'73 Dodge W200
'72 Dodge Wrecker
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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Letterman7 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2004 Posts: 3198 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Gary wrote: |
You're in the US, on an automotive forum dedicated to vehicles which were exported from Germany around the globe. These same vehicles were sold in the millions in the US market, and you're complaining that (today) US steel companies are selling their product in foreign markets. Your statement is ironic and lacks an understanding of business. |
How ironic that I've been running my own business for 25 years. It has nothing to do with Volkswagens being exported but everything with selling good steel cheap and purchasing back bad steel expensively. That is bad business (except for the steel mills, of course). There is zero reason why what we produce here can't stay here. At least we (might) have better quality control. |
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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I smell a 9/11 bad steel/ the towers shouldn't have come down conspiracy in the works here- _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
opinion untempered by fact is ignorance.
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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I live in the SF Bay area in California for the last 33 years, and I don't really leave the area that often.
So I'm not used to seeing rusty cars, so when I see one it usually kind of shocks me.
I think "I thought cars didn't rust out anymore",
but really it's just that the weather is so nice here that cars don't rot away before your eyes. _________________ Good Luck
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:21 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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williamM wrote: |
I smell a 9/11 bad steel/ the towers shouldn't have come down conspiracy in the works here- |
Call Pete Carrol! just don't tell him to RUN over. He'll PASS on that.
I find it surprising that anyone here ever thought Japanese steel was any good. PRE-70s? POST 70s? Granted I am only in my 30s but was there actually a time when Japanese steel was known to be GOOD? I recall my HS teachers 88 Toyota truck rotting away before our eyes in 4 short years. Every Japanese truck I see on the road that is 5 years old or more has a bumper turning to dust on both ends. Frame rot issues on Toyotas AND Nissans as far back as what, 7-8 years ago?
To me its always been recycled WW2 battleships they drag up from the Pacific. Garbage. It's a tiny island, their manufacturing industry is at the mercy of their overseas suppliers, and the quality of their recycling efforts. Know we have proof I guess.... _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
1977 WESTY "KrustyKamper" 2L FI
79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
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Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
**winter drivers: no survivors!**rust warrior**#keepbodyshopsbusy** |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31360 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:19 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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ROCKOROD71 wrote: |
Every Japanese truck I see on the road that is 5 years old or more has a bumper turning to dust on both ends. Frame rot issues on Toyotas AND Nissans as far back as what, 7-8 years ago? |
My 1988 Mazda truck, and my '98 and 2004 Frontiers, and my daughter's '98 Pathfinder are all rust-free - because I'm in Arizona and your experience is in Massachusetts.
Come to think of it: those Nissans were likely built in USA but don't know if Japanese steel was used then. But the 1988 Mazda truck was absolutely made in Japan. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69802 Location: Phoenix Metro
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:56 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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EverettB wrote: |
ROCKOROD71 wrote: |
To me its always been recycled WW2 battleships they drag up from the Pacific. Garbage. |
Wouldn't that be US Steel? |
Yup! Infused with sodium after years in the salty brine of the ocean and ready to rot from the inside out! _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
1977 WESTY "KrustyKamper" 2L FI
79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
asiab3 wrote: |
Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
**winter drivers: no survivors!**rust warrior**#keepbodyshopsbusy** |
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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EverettB wrote: |
ROCKOROD71 wrote: |
To me its always been recycled WW2 battleships they drag up from the Pacific. Garbage. |
Wouldn't that be US Steel?
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depends on who's battleship it started out as I suppose??? _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
opinion untempered by fact is ignorance.
Don't step in any! |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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rotted or rusted out steel has nothing to do with any of the scam. this is highend steel that has a real job to do, not just a box to keep rain out. lesser that is whats needed in this type of steel can be catastrophic... or shortened life cycles.if your in a plane and the shaft holding the engine togeather or in the plane has a 40 expectancy and at 20 years it fails while your in it over the pacific ocean...on your way to Hawaii for vacation .does it matter that your car is rusting out from the steel not being prepped properly before painting? how about pulling out in traffic infront of a big truck and the trans input shaft twist in two so your just sitten there....and the truck's break peddell is also made from the japan affected steel:? hmm whats that smell???kinda smells like poop and it's spread all over the highway. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69802 Location: Phoenix Metro
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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I found steel data on line
China makes 74594 Thousand Tonnes of steel monthly, compared to the US which makes 7064 Thousand Tonnes of steel monthly.
In 1967 US made 115.0 million metric tons of steel annually, and in 2016 US made 78.6 million metric tons of steel annually.
I think falsely certified steel has nothing to do with rusting,
so who's steel is rotting out in the driveway didn't mater so much as the processing it received after it was formed into floor pans, quarter panels, or frame rails.
But did you know, in the 70's if you shut off the lights in your garage, you could actually hear your Karmann Ghia rusting?
https://www.google.com/search?q=cars+that+rust+rea...mp;bih=829 _________________ Good Luck
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2038 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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Well that explains the amount of rust on my Geo Prizm (Toyota Corolla clone). It was built with Japanese steel, and assembled in California.
It also explains the rear quarter rust, and a section of body mount rust on my 99 Honda Accord that was built in Japan.
Never confuse the quality of the basis metal with how well the car manufacturer decided to protect it from the elements. I work in the military aerospace industry and the "preference for domestic specialty metals" clause is a big deal. But if the anti corrosion finish on the metal is shit, it doesn't matter if it came from Pittsburgh or Shanghai. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:20 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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that wood bee a neet trick, hearing my ghia rust with the lights out so...why dont I hear it when my bug when it turns into a rusting ghia when the lights are out is my bug really a transformer?? bumble bug!!! |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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now it seems nissan has big problems....they shut down the japan plants, due to...bubba on the street hired to do QC on the cars......well possibly not bubba, but unqualified people at 4 of there 6 plants...that they know of... whats this world coming to my bug is a transformer, japan is screwed,north korea cant sell uniform's to China&India. and my wife is flying to socal next Tuesday......for a week!! Ill bet she dont even bring me back any burritos...or parts. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16859 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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back in the mid 70's there was a steel issue that hit almost every auto manufacturer. I think it was called "green steel" (I am sure you can google the issue)
anyway, the article went on to say how bad the steel was and cars just evaporated...this is why you kind of don't see many 73/4-79 cars that much...like Vega's the rotted on the lot, or Dashers, early Rabbits etc...it had something to do with the nickel content as I recall.
some of the only made it if they were in the southwest their whole life. here in New England almost everything looks like a bag of smashed chips in a few years. jap stuff typically doesn't last more than 10 years here before the creepin krusties send it off to the smelter
I actually can see it on early bay's vs late bays. the late ones tend to rot way worse than the early ones did, in very odd places compared to their older brothers.
ahh, round eye you want some high quarity chinesium? _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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I think thats when they were going to thinner steel and cheeper steel and the paint & process was changing too. they tried galvinizing but the paint didt stick to it, they tried all kinds of stuff that didnt work. chrysler has speclkel issues and they found it was the employees deodorant causing the issues....I dont think any car manufacture these days lets their employees wear deodorant when there in that area of the factory's. |
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
back in the mid 70's there was a steel issue that hit almost every auto manufacturer. I think it was called "green steel" (I am sure you can google the issue)
anyway, the article went on to say how bad the steel was and cars just evaporated...this is why you kind of don't see many 73/4-79 cars that much...like Vega's the rotted on the lot, or Dashers, early Rabbits etc...it had something to do with the nickel content as I recall.
some of the only made it if they were in the southwest their whole life. here in New England almost everything looks like a bag of smashed chips in a few years. jap stuff typically doesn't last more than 10 years here before the creepin krusties send it off to the smelter
I actually can see it on early bay's vs late bays. the late ones tend to rot way worse than the early ones did, in very odd places compared to their older brothers.
ahh, round eye you want some high quarity chinesium? |
Think we talked about this once, skills, in regards to my theories on the Beetle "death foam" issues, where they rot behind the crescent vent. My 71 has no rot/rust at all in that area. If you search "death foam" using google search-the-whole-site on Samba you'll see a bevvy of 73-74-75 cars with death foam issues. Almost always seems to be those years I have noticed. _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
1977 WESTY "KrustyKamper" 2L FI
79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
asiab3 wrote: |
Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
**winter drivers: no survivors!**rust warrior**#keepbodyshopsbusy** |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51121 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:48 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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I have noticed more rust in stranger places on 74+ VW's, could be metal, could be paint process, not sure.
Most Japanese brake rotors changed around 1979/80, suddenly they wore unevenly and warped for no particular reason, can't blame any paint process on that. Rumor was they switched to recycled steel opposed to virgin alloys but who really knows? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:55 am Post subject: Re: china steel...japan steel....whoose best.... |
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I lived in the S. California area in the 70's and 80's 60 miles inland. I remember all kinds of Japanese cars rusting from the inside out on these California cars. Some blamed poor preventative coatings during body assembly/paint. If I remember correctly, they didn't dip the bodies in primer or rust preventer but rather, sprayed inside where they could reach. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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