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77 beetle Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:31 pm Post subject: Engine compatability |
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I recently acquired a 77 fuel injected beetle from my brother and engine is seized. I have a carbureted engine from a 69 lying around and was wondering if i could swap the engines. |
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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Yes, but please put in the hard work and keep the fuel injection. If you need help let me know. It's wayyy worth keeping the stock FI over the carb'd setup. I'm just down the way of the 5. _________________ Wash your hands
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77 beetle Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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Brian wrote: |
Yes, but please put in the hard work and keep the fuel injection. If you need help let me know. It's wayyy worth keeping the stock FI over the carb'd setup. I'm just down the way of the 5. |
I plan on keeping the FI engine I just need something temporary to get to work and stuff. If I need help I'll make sure to touch bases with you |
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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phew, sounds good
Yes the '69 engine will work fine just need to make sure the wiring is OK and you don't short anything out. Is it a '69 long block or turnkey engine? So, just the mechanical bits or all the stuff like carb, manifold, alternator/generator and fan shroud?
If it has a generator then you'll need to get a voltage regulator. If you're re-using your alternator then you don't need to worry. _________________ Wash your hands
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77 beetle Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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Brian wrote: |
phew, sounds good
Yes the '69 engine will work fine just need to make sure the wiring is OK and you don't short anything out. Is it a '69 long block or turnkey engine? So, just the mechanical bits or all the stuff like carb, manifold, alternator/generator and fan shroud?
If it has a generator then you'll need to get a voltage regulator. If you're re-using your alternator then you don't need to worry. |
It's a long block I plan on taking the FI motor out and putting the carbureted one in its place. |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2012 Posts: 11739 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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I don't think you can swap out the the fuel injected engine for a carbureted one if the car is a 1977. Not in California, anyway. Song laws.
However, I may be behind the times, and a 1977 may not require smog. If that's true, you're free to make the swap.
Check with the DMV. See what they say.
Tim _________________ Let's do the Time Warp again!
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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Yea the long block will still mount up. The transmission doesn't care if it's a FI engine or not. But the heads are big difference, carb engines have different sized vales and some other stuff. You can make it work, but need to put in some detailed work. _________________ Wash your hands
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12674 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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Federal laws prohibit any tampering with your emissions system. So anybody not running a single sole with a throttle positioner is breaking that one.
In California you will need to have the fuel injection to pass the visible test for your biannual/annual smog check (whichever you have.) If your test isn't for a while, a single carb engine will get you around, the law and the city.
The swap will likely need to take the cylinder tin from the FI engine to the temp engine, since the engine compartment changed size somewhere along the production run.
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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77 beetle Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Federal laws prohibit any tampering with your emissions system. So anybody not running a single sole with a throttle positioner is breaking that one.
In California you will need to have the fuel injection to pass the visible test for your biannual/annual smog check (whichever you have.) If your test isn't for a while, a single carb engine will get you around, the law and the city.
The swap will likely need to take the cylinder tin from the FI engine to the temp engine, since the engine compartment changed size somewhere along the production run.
Robbie |
I asked the dmv when I went to put the car under my name and they said it didn't have to be smogged again. _________________ Matt Vargas |
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77 beetle Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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Brian wrote: |
Yea the long block will still mount up. The transmission doesn't care if it's a FI engine or not. But the heads are big difference, carb engines have different sized vales and some other stuff. You can make it work, but need to put in some detailed work. |
I figured there would be some differences, but thank you for the help. _________________ Matt Vargas |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12674 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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77 beetle wrote: |
I asked the dmv when I went to put the car under my name and they said it didn't have to be smogged again. |
Can you please message me the location and employee of the mythical DMV? I have a few VWs that I would like to put under my name now…………
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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tommu Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2011 Posts: 615 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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[quote="77 beetle"]
asiab3 wrote: |
I asked the dmv when I went to put the car under my name and they said it didn't have to be smogged again. |
Did they mean that's it's already SMOGed and not due a re-test yet? If it's here in California and a 77 then there is no legal way around SMOG requirement. Might be worth double-checking your paperwork etc. _________________ |
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77 beetle Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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[quote="tommu"]
77 beetle wrote: |
asiab3 wrote: |
I asked the dmv when I went to put the car under my name and they said it didn't have to be smogged again. |
Did they mean that's it's already SMOGed and not due a re-test yet? If it's here in California and a 77 then there is no legal way around SMOG requirement. Might be worth double-checking your paperwork etc. |
I rechecked the paperwork and it's not up for smog till next year. Like I said to asiab3 I don't thing she was right cause I believe the cutoff is 75 If I'm not mistaken.
I'm only having the engine in temporarily so I can get to work and back it won't be in there for long. _________________ Matt Vargas |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compatability |
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77 beetle wrote: |
asiab3 wrote: |
Federal laws prohibit any tampering with your emissions system. So anybody not running a single sole with a throttle positioner is breaking that one.
In California you will need to have the fuel injection to pass the visible test for your biannual/annual smog check (whichever you have.) If your test isn't for a while, a single carb engine will get you around, the law and the city.
The swap will likely need to take the cylinder tin from the FI engine to the temp engine, since the engine compartment changed size somewhere along the production run.
Robbie |
I asked the dmv when I went to put the car under my name and they said it didn't have to be smogged again. |
See attached for smog tesf requirements, note these are current requirement and may change at anytime ....
https://www.dmv.org/ca-california/smog-check.php#Smog-Check-Requirements-Exemptions
you maybe in one of the exempt from testing areas. many areas do require testing for your year car. exempt areas I believe do require testing at time of sale with exemptions for some family transfers
if you swap the motor to the eaely one, you will run into smog test problems at time to sell, or if you move. the car maybe impossible to legally sell later in much of the state, if not all the state (ie test at selling time and every two year testing.
additionally the state has set up mobile test stations that detect exhaust fumes as cars drive by, cars that fail this instant check will be photographed and owner sent a notice to bring it in for a test. this may be a problem for you, dispite you being in a smog test exempt area. this effects 1976 and newer cars.
Id get that original motor fixed to avoid problems and maintain value of the car,
do not assume that since you have car registered in a smog test exempt area that you can get away with it forever. one day you may find the law changed and you have to smog it even if ylu never move, never sell it and avoid fhe road side testing program.
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