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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:20 am Post subject: 88 X 74 mini stroker build PIC HEAVY |
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Here we go guys,
I finaly get my own engine build thread,
The parts list i've gathered so far;
OG AS41 case linebored 0,5 and thrust cut 21,51 mm.
CB 4140 CW crank 74 mm.
Kolbenschmidt main bearings
Silverline steel backed mains.
8 doweled flywheel stock weight.
CB uni-tech rods
Silverline rod bearings
WEB 163 cam + Scat lifters and CB Eagle cam gear.
Silverline cam bearings.
Ahendorp B.A.S. superfinish heads 40 X 35.
Cromoly gland nut.
Dual weber 40 IDF's
A bag of misc stuff. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:00 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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Italian dual 40 idf's
I'm not fixed on ignition yet , i have a Bosch 094
and i have a Bosch SVDA _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:12 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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I was going to build a 1760 with 87mm p/c's but descided on the TW 88's
seeing as i needed my heads flycut anyway i had them opened up to 98mm _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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if you havent had them fly cut yet cc them and figure the cr. then cut them to get the CR you want/need as that looks to be a big chamber(very nice chamber too). i would so set the deck hight to .035"-.040",it should run good. |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:57 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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Thanx ,
I'm getting them cc'ed down to 47cc, and going to run 1mm deck.
that equals 9.5:1 compression _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:20 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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What kind of unholy non-metric size allen key do i use on these?
The cam gear came with allen heads , but the cam came with hex bolts (1/2" socket)
the allen head bolts "look" better, what would you guys use?
I have a 1/2" socket btw.
Also should i debur the cam lobes? they don't feel sharp btw. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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UK Luke 72 wrote: |
The Allen screws are 3/16"
I'm using those, iirc Webcam state 14ft/lb? Where as CB state 20ft/lb... Seeing as web made the part that the screw is being threaded into I'll go with their recommendation... With loctite. |
Good call, i was going to go 20 ft/lb,
thanx. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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3 million rpm? Well there's your problem! No wonder it blew up! |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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I like to see "grade-8" here . . .
Use Loctite!
Cheap, zinc-plated "grade-5" bolts at 20lb/ft. torque is asking for it!!! _________________ Jesucristo es mi Seņor y Salvador! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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Thank you ,
I'm going for the cb performance allen head bolts
that came with the gear. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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FreeBug Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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UK Luke 72 wrote: |
That Eagle cam gear and the bolts supplied look to be made of the same Chinesium the EMPI ones are made from...
Yeah I'd have far more faith in the cap heads. |
And less clearancing . |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:58 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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Just doing some measuring today,
I'm setting my oil pump gear engagement depth.
out of the box the engagement is 6mm (0.235")
the tang is 8.5 mm long on the pump gear.
I've set the cam end play to 0.06 mm (0.0023")
_________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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Just waiting on my crank from CB should come in this friday,
just a quick question about breathing the crankcase, do i need a breather box and extra breathing for this engine?
I'm trying to use my "waiting on parts" time to clean everything double good and do stuff in my engine bay, anything you would recommend i bolt to the firewall while i got all this space? I'm considering a single plug wire harness
which i can hide nicely behind the fan shroud and some hidden fuel lines and such, just to keep things clean. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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57BLITZ Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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hobbybob517 wrote: |
. . . just a quick question about breathing the crankcase, do i need a breather box and extra breathing for this engine? |
You need to vent the case . . . to the air filter, breather box, or somewhere, but you already know that.
I have one of the "mini" K&N filters connected to the stock filler on my '70 ( it has ICT Webers) . . . it's not the best looking and I have to remove it every time I add oil.
Surprisingly, it does not seem to make too huge of an oily mess, but still, I don't like it.
My '62 that I am working on has 40IDF Webers and I am going to add a Bugpack breather box . . . venting only the stock oil filler.
If I determine I need to . . . I can vent the right rocker cover . . . not going to unless I must.
Do NOT vent the 3/4 rocker cover! _________________ Jesucristo es mi Seņor y Salvador! |
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hobbybob517 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:56 am Post subject: Re: 88 X 74 mini stroker build |
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Thanks for your reply,
I have a breather hose going from my aftermarket filler to a T and then to my filter tops, was just wondering if that would be enough.
ran this setup on my close to stock 1600, never ran it above 4500 rpm much. _________________ THE BUILD http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php
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