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 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Anyone seem to know if a "Zoom Tube" will fit under the apron with a Beetle muffler?
http://www.jbugs.com/product/3360.html
EDIT: Never mind, doesn't look like it.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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The only exhausts that have been available here in Europe recently are the Dansk ones that inexplicably have the heat riser take-offs welded on both sides - so naturally they don't line up the inlet manifold and you get to spend some time tickling it with a grinder to release the low pressure pipe that is supposed to flex slightly.
Like I said, this exhaust looked like like a real score - even down to the 'VW' style letter font - but it's still like no exhaust I've ever seen before now...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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The only exhausts that have been available here in Europe recently are the Dansk ones that inexplicably have the heat riser take-offs welded on both sides - so naturally they don't line up the inlet manifold and you get to spend some time tickling it with a grinder to release the low pressure pipe that is supposed to flex slightly.
Like I said, this exhaust looked like like a real score - even down to the 'VW' style letter font - but it's still like no exhaust I've ever seen before now...
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OK, that answers one of my questions, thanks. Bus Depot is advertising a "European" muffler that looks like it has the separate heat rider as is correct in the pics, and with a larger diameter one piece TP and resonator like a later Type 3. However, sellers in Germany seem to be offering the same setup... only on theirs you can zoom in and see the "Jopex" stamp and the part numbers that match up exactly to what I already have, and the heat riser is NOW one with the head flange.
I found Bill's thread about his exhaust and it seems it's the Bus Depot one after all. However, over the year or so duration of that thread it seems quality issues developed there as well.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
So, I got to wondering if it's simply the damper and tailpipe that's different.
I removed the TP and damper from the muff I have on it now and damn if there isn't quite the difference. I couldn't get it any faster than about 55-60 on the highway because we have a storm blowing in- way earlier than predicted- and traffic was stupid, but accel is noticeably improved and I could wind it out to 50 in third for the first time ever. I'm *almost* happy but now I am fixated as to whether this fucking Jopex is still restricting things or not.
I need to see what I can fabricate up for a resonator/ TP because it's now LOUD and do some driving, then decide. What was on it was choking it for sure.
And... the steering column just magically developed a moaning squeak and I'm now not entirely sure the "swish swish swish" noise isn't coming from the left rear brake. 
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Oooh yeah, just like this
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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That thread doesn't seem to have any real conclusion... or am I missing something? |
Gary (Aeromech) loves his engines performance with this exhaust set up. You could PM him to get his thoughts.
Did you see the real deal NOS muffler at BugCity.com?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| Tram wrote: |
That thread doesn't seem to have any real conclusion... or am I missing something? |
Gary (Aeromech) loves his engines performance with this exhaust set up. You could PM him to get his thoughts.
Did you see the real deal NOS muffler at BugCity.com? |
Yes, I saw it. It's the same part number I have a couple different leads on but everyone else is listing this as the '63 to '71 version. Before I spend that kind of scratch I want to be sure I'll be getting somewhere.
It just shouldn't be this fucking stoopid difficult.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Those are both the same muffler and look suspiciously like what we are already dealing with... notice how the verbiage says they aren't always from the same "European country" or manufacturer.
And the heat riser pipe is on the opposite side. That means we need to hack the mustache bar to make it fit.
Sorry, Boss!
Let me think through a plan I'm assembling in my head while I try to get *somewhat* caught up on other stuff... I'm thinking that I just MAY be able to braze a late type 3 one piece TP into this Jokepex muffler and band- aid this thing.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Those are both the same muffler and look suspiciously like what we are already dealing with... notice how the verbiage says they aren't always from the same "European country" or manufacturer.
And the heat riser pipe is on the opposite side. That means we need to hack the mustache bar to make it fit.
Sorry, Boss!
Let me think through a plan I'm assembling in my head while I try to get *somewhat* caught up on other stuff... I'm thinking that I just MAY be able to braze a late type 3 one piece TP into this Jokepex muffler and band- aid this thing. |
I think Ron at Busdepot stated Jopex/dansk is the only European company still making stock bus/bug mufflers. I know I haven't seen any other "new" mufflers lately that were not one of those.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Those are both the same muffler and look suspiciously like what we are already dealing with... notice how the verbiage says they aren't always from the same "European country" or manufacturer.
And the heat riser pipe is on the opposite side. That means we need to hack the mustache bar to make it fit.
Sorry, Boss!
Let me think through a plan I'm assembling in my head while I try to get *somewhat* caught up on other stuff... I'm thinking that I just MAY be able to braze a late type 3 one piece TP into this Jokepex muffler and band- aid this thing. |
Ah....my mistake....the 2nd was supposed to be this:
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Vintage-Speed-SS-Super-Flow-Muffler-155-209-052SF-p/155-209-052sf.htm
But there's this too:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2102788
Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
It's certainly starting to look that way if you want quiet and full stock power and can't find a real (correct) NOS unit. Those Vintagespeed ones look like the only new option worth the investment, but you do sacrifice a few Db's and the look in the process.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Those are both the same muffler and look suspiciously like what we are already dealing with... notice how the verbiage says they aren't always from the same "European country" or manufacturer.
And the heat riser pipe is on the opposite side. That means we need to hack the mustache bar to make it fit.
Sorry, Boss!
Let me think through a plan I'm assembling in my head while I try to get *somewhat* caught up on other stuff... I'm thinking that I just MAY be able to braze a late type 3 one piece TP into this Jokepex muffler and band- aid this thing. |
Ah....my mistake....the 2nd was supposed to be this:
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Vintage-Speed-SS-Super-Flow-Muffler-155-209-052SF-p/155-209-052sf.htm
But there's this too:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2102788
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#1- No heat risers.
#2. I looked at that, but that's the exact same Leistritz that has the heat riser on the wrong side so you have to notch the mustache bar... and it's the same damn part number that choked down and heated up that poster's engine in Bill's thread here:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=60
Last page, sixth post down.
It's a Split Bus muffler. I can see what the tag says but it is what it is. This is why I'm REALLY hesitant to go for a "1963-71" replacement, NOS or not. They ain't right for 1600!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| D/A/N wrote: |
| Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
It's certainly starting to look that way if you want quiet and full stock power and can't find a real (correct) NOS unit. Those Vintagespeed ones look like the only new option worth the investment, but you do sacrifice a few Db's and the look in the process. |
And again... no heat risers and no heater preheats. I mean... this sucks! There's one in the UK that I have been looking at closely that seems well built and has everything we need... but bat shit crazy expensive. Even that would be palatable... but we don't know what the noise level is. I'm sure D/A/N and neena don't want to be driving their beautiful Bus having to shout at the top of their lungs at each other.
http://www.machine7.com/product.php?xProd=13787
Face it... why does anyone even want to go stock if things run that much better with aftermarket? One word... SILENCE.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| #1- No heat risers. |
Photo 5 shows heat riser ports, maybe they are optional?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| #1- No heat risers. |
Photo 5 shows heat riser ports, maybe they are optional? |
Hmmm. You're right... there they are. I guess I went all ADD by pic 4.
What kills me is that the heat with this stupid Malaysian POS is unbelieveable... almost as good as a Type 3.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| Tram wrote: |
| #1- No heat risers. |
Photo 5 shows heat riser ports, maybe they are optional? |
Heat risers are 100% available with a VS Sport exhaust, there’s even a small pickup in the pipe. Mine has them athough I have them blocked off cause I’m running dual Weber’s.
The VS is definitely louder then a stock unit but a lot quieter then a merged header to single quiet pack. It also tucks under the rear apron nicely and the outlet pipe huges the bumper for a clean look. The outlet pipe does interfere with the overrider, if you have them. I trimmed mine 1/4” for the pipe to clear.
I’ve had none of the cracking/breaking issues that people have been reporting. ~26k on mine and absolutely love it, I can’t see myself running another system.
One of my favorite features is the departure angle compared to a quiet pack.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| D/A/N wrote: |
| Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
It's certainly starting to look that way if you want quiet and full stock power and can't find a real (correct) NOS unit. Those Vintagespeed ones look like the only new option worth the investment, but you do sacrifice a few Db's and the look in the process. |
Well, I have tinnitus in both ears and some hearing loss so I can deal with the dB increase......though the recirculating ducting for our BN4 definitely conducts some extra noise into the cabin.
As for the look, at this point I think we need what works, not what looks right! |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| D/A/N wrote: |
| Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
It's certainly starting to look that way if you want quiet and full stock power and can't find a real (correct) NOS unit. Those Vintagespeed ones look like the only new option worth the investment, but you do sacrifice a few Db's and the look in the process. |
Well, I have tinnitus in both ears and some hearing loss so I can deal with the dB increase......though the recirculating ducting for our BN4 definitely conducts some extra noise into the cabin.
As for the look, at this point I think we need what works, not what looks right! |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Fixed it for you brother 
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| Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
It's certainly starting to look that way if you want quiet and full stock power and can't find a real (correct) NOS unit. Those Vintagespeed ones look like the only new option worth the investment, but you do sacrifice a few Db's and the look in the process. |
Well, I have tinnitus in both ears and some hearing loss so I can deal with the dB increase......though the recirculating ducting for our BN4 definitely conducts some extra noise into the cabin.
As for the look, at this point If they don't like it, fuk'em - Vintage Speed looks and sounds GREAT! ! |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Fixed it for you brother
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| Either way, are we all just fucked when it comes to needing a new exhaust? |
It's certainly starting to look that way if you want quiet and full stock power and can't find a real (correct) NOS unit. Those Vintagespeed ones look like the only new option worth the investment, but you do sacrifice a few Db's and the look in the process. |
Well, I have tinnitus in both ears and some hearing loss so I can deal with the dB increase......though the recirculating ducting for our BN4 definitely conducts some extra noise into the cabin.
As for the look, at this point If they don't like it, fuk'em - Vintage Speed looks and sounds GREAT! ! |
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The only real caveat I had with that setup is that it didn't seem to have heat risers, but I was Jason wrong about that.
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