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TDCTDI
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 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Isn’t that what this bus has been doing all along?
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D/A/N
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
Isn’t that what this bus has been doing all along? |
Nah...mostly, it has been fucking with us and Tram. Some have fucked with it (Tram's old assistant) and then the rain (which is apparently wetter on the east coast than the west coast  ) fucked with the sliding window seals. |
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Tram
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| D/A/N wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
Isn’t that what this bus has been doing all along? |
Nah...mostly, it has been fucking with us and Tram. Some have fucked with it (Tram's old assistant) and then the rain (which is apparently wetter on the east coast than the west coast ) fucked with the sliding window seals. |
You guys always did have the best of everything... "It's a dry rain".
Actually we had a couple rainy windy days before the Bus left but not like we normally do in winter. We're making up for it now, though, and the rain will get wetter as it heads East to NYC. 
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RidinRetro1973
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| neena wrote: |
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My buddy lives in Brooklyn and sent me this yesterday:
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That's too funny...is he also a VW person? There is one such guy who lives on that stretch of our street... |
He's not, he just knows to send me aircooled's when he sees 'em.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Got to a bit of business today.
1st: Our rear passenger wheel thunk over bumps was caused by a very loose upper shock bolt. I got about 2 full turns before it torqued down.
2nd: All four front trans mount bolts were loose so they were tightened back up as well.
3rd: The nor'easter flooded the inside of the bus. We did the best we could with the dregs of Vaseline we had on hand in the 5 free minutes we had before work while getting rained on but it didn't do much. Quite a mess.
4th: Adjusted the valves. When checked, all were between .007 and .008.....not sure if they were set like that or what. Snugged them down to .006 and am hoping that the gap won't keep increasing.
5th: Found this huge ass hole under the bus for the breather hose on the water tank. Anyone have a recommendation for what to cover this up with? Can't be a great idea in the long run to have a hole like that.
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Tram
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| D/A/N wrote: |
Got to a bit of business today.
1st: Our rear passenger wheel thunk over bumps was caused by a very loose upper shock bolt. I got about 2 full turns before it torqued down.
2nd: All four front trans mount bolts were loose so they were tightened back up as well.
3rd: The nor'easter flooded the inside of the bus. We did the best we could with the dregs of Vaseline we had on hand in the 5 free minutes we had before work while getting rained on but it didn't do much. Quite a mess.
4th: Adjusted the valves. When checked, all were between .007 and .008.....not sure if they were set like that or what. Snugged them down to .006 and am hoping that the gap won't keep increasing.
5th: Found this huge ass hole under the bus for the breather hose on the water tank. Anyone have a recommendation for what to cover this up with? Can't be a great idea in the long run to have a hole like that.
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1. Told ya!  Keep an eye on all that stuff... if it keeps coming loose locktite all of it. That'll learn 'em.
2. See above. Those were torqued to specs when the trans was installed.
3. Those windows piss me off.  Get some heavy plastic or tarps and some of that stick on magnet in a roll and make a couple covers for now with magnetic perimeters. I'll find some Westie Jalousies eventually. The new gaskets may help but the slider windows in my big M-B Bus always have leaked around the glass too, and yours are the same basic design.
4. Have you already forgotten I adjust valves at 008 for break in? The fact that they were all between 008 and 007 is very good news. Stop looking for problems!
5. Yeah, sorry about that big ass hole. Too bad it's not a perfect ass hole.
The problem with filling it in is that's not the breather... it's the drain, and if you fill that hole in you'll never be able to get the tank out if you need to because of the angle of the damn thing.
Just take that big ass can of undercoating and spray the edges of the hole really well.
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Koeppler
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:58 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| Holy crow someone got happy with their hole saw!! Try that spray on closed cell foam and fill that hole. It would be temporary and offer you protection at the same time. |
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Spray foam has no business being anywhere near a car IMO, Westfalia used a screwed on sheet metal plate and foam rubber to close holes under the floor, wetsuit material or yoga mat makes an excellent gasket.
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danfromsyr
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:08 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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2 overlapping sheets of stainless or aluminum step flashing (can source at hardware store)
stack plates.
find location of hole.
bore hole thru both plates.
cut one plate for a east exit slot
one plate for a west exit slot.
then slide both plates together around tube/pipe
seal with Plumbers putty also available at the hardware store.
this is the best (quick) example I could find. plate doesn't need to be stepped..
https://watsons-streetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SA-6510-1.jpg
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| Spray foam has no business being anywhere near a car IMO, Westfalia used a screwed on sheet metal plate and foam rubber to close holes under the floor, wetsuit material or yoga mat makes an excellent gasket. |
Funny you should say that because the guy I bought the bus from sent me a pic of the undercarriage (which I can't seem to find) when he bought the bus and the ENTIRE area from the first crossmember back was covered in spray foam or whatever it's called. Either way, the undercarriage looked ridiculous, but there's no rust through! We have some spare yoga mat material laying around but what's the gauge of sheet metal plate we could use to cover up the area?
I like what danfromsyr suggests. |
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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I like what DanfromSyr suggests as well, but not everyone has the skills or tools to do that. Westfalia used thin sheet like roof flashing or the side of a washing machine cabinet (~20ga), the hole in the metal doesn't have to be any less savage than the hole in the floor, as long as the gasket hugs the pipe tight the metal is just there to hold it in place.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:42 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| I like what DanfromSyr suggests as well, but not everyone has the skills or tools to do that. Westfalia used thin sheet like roof flashing or the side of a washing machine cabinet (~20ga), the hole in the metal doesn't have to be any less savage than the hole in the floor, as long as the gasket hugs the pipe tight the metal is just there to hold it in place. |
Yeah, it's true that given our tools and level of skill, we won't be able to do anything fancy. In any case, would a sheet of this work? I don't have a sense of how thick 20ga is. Is it thick enough to have to use an angle grinder to cut it?
http://www.speedymetals.com/pc-2685-8244-0036-cold-rolled-steel-sheet.aspx
At first I read your 20ga as 30ga and found this which seems like it could be cut with shears.....seems close to ducting material
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Master-Flow-24-in-x-36.../202191776 |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:05 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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20ga cuts with tin snips somewhat easily, home ducting metal would be suitable as well, it's just holding the gasket up against the underside of the floor.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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OR just start from fresh. NO mice here.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:50 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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OR just start from fresh. NO mice here. |
Great idea, but we aren't set up to weld. Our "shop" is our street in Brooklyn. Plus, the guy who made the hole says it can't be sealed up or we won't be able to remove the water tank. As to why the hole is so huge and was left uncovered, we're still scratching our heads about that. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:57 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Ohh and since it's a vent/drain hose and you have access to the end of it.
you only need 1 piece of metal and drill a hole in it where the hose will pass thru. then slip it over the end.. (*Sorry hadn't noticed earlier)
still use a non-hardening putty or quality foam to seal the irregular surface of the floor.
fasten the plate with 4 short sheet metal screws..
should take a shop 15mins,.
or a novice without any power tools half a day plus a trip to the ER to remove a metal filing from their eye plus a couple bandages.
*wear goggles & gloves 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| D/A/N wrote: |
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OR just start from fresh. NO mice here. |
Great idea, but we aren't set up to weld. Our "shop" is our street in Brooklyn. Plus, the guy who made the hole says it can't be sealed up or we won't be able to remove the water tank. As to why the hole is so huge and was left uncovered, we're still scratching our heads about that. |
All through this process we all always knew that there were a bunch of little things that needed attention. I was constantly told by people I won't name that I just needed to stay focused on getting it running and 'ship it- ship it- ship it... we can do the little stuff... ship it'.
So here ya go.
Incidentally, the reason the hole is so big is because the way that drain comes off the bottom plus the thickness of the added layers of flooring and sound deadening to the floor necessitated it. If you put any pressure on the fitting or too close to it on the hose you'll pinch the drain hose shut at best, or snap the fitting off the tank at worst. It was a complete pain in the ass to fit that stupid tank which really should be in the sink cabinet on the opposite side of the Bus, but if it was you'd never be able to get in and out the sliding door. Thus, all the fixtures are oriented exactly the wrong direction.
Actually, though, now that I'm recalling correctly that sink and fridge and water tank were all actually for the one piece later Riviera cabinet that goes against the left wall which was the original plan till you guys decided you liked this layout better. I'm not criticizing the decision... I like the way it is better now, too- it's quite handsome with a definite early 1970s vibe going on, but making it work with what we had already purchased was akin to making cream outta shit. 
It was one of those simple things that got stupid complicated. There were lots of those to get things where you wanted them to be.
I'm actually kind of surprised it wasn't mentioned over the summer when you went over the underneath of it and suggested other corrections. It would have gotten onto a "finishing list" eventually but we were trying to get youse home.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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Ohh and since it's a vent/drain hose and you have access to the end of it.
you only need 1 piece of metal and drill a hole in it where the hose will pass thru. then slip it over the end.. (*Sorry hadn't noticed earlier)
still use a non-hardening putty or quality foam to seal the irregular surface of the floor.
fasten the plate with 4 short sheet metal screws..
should take a shop 15mins,.
or a novice without any power tools half a day plus a trip to the ER to remove a metal filing from their eye plus a couple bandages.
*wear goggles & gloves |
I've known D/A/N to regularly use hypoid oil as a hair tonic and gasoline to remove ear wax. His hair and hearing are excellent!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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I too am not a welder, but I do know how to use a rivet gun. I’d cut a piece of metal, like a street sign. Fit it, drill holes, paint it and install it with some rivets. Then I’d caulk the shit out of the hole where the drain comes through it.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:33 am Post subject: Re: The Bi- Coastal Bi Polar Bus. |
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| Tram wrote: |
| D/A/N wrote: |
| williamM wrote: |
OR just start from fresh. NO mice here. |
Great idea, but we aren't set up to weld. Our "shop" is our street in Brooklyn. Plus, the guy who made the hole says it can't be sealed up or we won't be able to remove the water tank. As to why the hole is so huge and was left uncovered, we're still scratching our heads about that. |
All through this process we all always knew that there were a bunch of little things that needed attention. I was constantly told by people I won't name that I just needed to stay focused on getting it running and 'ship it- ship it- ship it... we can do the little stuff... ship it'.
So here ya go.
Incidentally, the reason the hole is so big is because the way that drain comes off the bottom plus the thickness of the added layers of flooring and sound deadening to the floor necessitated it. If you put any pressure on the fitting or too close to it on the hose you'll pinch the drain hose shut at best, or snap the fitting off the tank at worst. It was a complete pain in the ass to fit that stupid tank which really should be in the sink cabinet on the opposite side of the Bus, but if it was you'd never be able to get in and out the sliding door. Thus, all the fixtures are oriented exactly the wrong direction.
Actually, though, now that I'm recalling correctly that sink and fridge and water tank were all actually for the one piece later Riviera cabinet that goes against the left wall which was the original plan till you guys decided you liked this layout better. I'm not criticizing the decision... I like the way it is better now, too- it's quite handsome with a definite early 1970s vibe going on, but making it work with what we had already purchased was akin to making cream outta shit.
It was one of those simple things that got stupid complicated. There were lots of those to get things where you wanted them to be.
I'm actually kind of surprised it wasn't mentioned over the summer when you went over the underneath of it and suggested other corrections. It would have gotten onto a "finishing list" eventually but we were trying to get youse home. |
Tram…we're not trying to take you down, so there's no need for that self-justifying narrative here. It's about as useful as your suggestion to leave the hole be and spray some undercoating around the edges. Your implication that the hole is that large and uncovered because of some "agreement" we had, some interior decisions we made, because you were rushed, because of parts, or because I allegedly saw it over the summer but didn't say anything is pure bullshit.
If you want to talk about how blameless you are, do it on your feedback thread. In the meantime, let us get help from people who know buses inside and out. |
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