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oldscooldude Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2017 Posts: 15 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:11 pm Post subject: 1953 Zwitter? |
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After being saved by the very kind and knowledgeable folks in this forum in what would have been a very bad purchase I have been further reading and looking and it seems I have stumbled on to another potential subject. I know the steering wheel is non-original but current owner does have the right one for this car as it is currently being restored. The front windows do appear to be the correct ones and as far as I can tell the engine (1100cc?)seems to be the original too. I will have to request the certificate from VW to authenticate all the numbers on the plates depending on your input.
I would like to get your input as I do value the advice of those that have a keen eye for details and much more expertise under their belts. I thank you in advance for your time and valuable input:
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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looks like a nice car. A couple things i can point out:
1. the rear apron is not original so it's been replaced with what looks to be an aftermarket one not the correct each tile so it's had either a fender bender in the rare or something worse I would ask the owner if he knows of any accident history.
2. The taillights look correct being the heart style but they look a little higher on the fenders so possibly the rear fenders have been replaced and are not original ones for some reason somebody moved the lights.
that's all I noticed at the moment. it has the correct aluminum zwitter trim on the rear windows, bumpers look correct, the engine has some funky paint on it and some incorrect parts such as distributor etc.;
steering will IS correct for the car.
see if you can send us some pictures from under the hood? |
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Also it's a little hard to tell from the photos, but it does appear that the hood emblem on the top doesn't look right. it looks a little thicker like a later style and the hood also looks like it might have a "raised" area indicating a later hood, but again I can't see well enough to say if this is the case am I have the wrong hood.
good pictures from under the hood will tell a lot more. |
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Door and side windows look like the '65 and later taller kind, so immediate suspect of a "cut in" rear window and dash. But the the easy question is, what is the body number stamped in the front inner tire well? _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Thank you for your responses and insight. Lots of useful info. I am attaching more pics. I apologize for the poor picture quality as I extracted them from a video the owner sent me. I can request additional pictures tomorrow. Thanks again.
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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johnshenry wrote: |
Door and side windows look like the '65 and later taller kind, so immediate suspect of a "cut in" rear window and dash. But the the easy question is, what is the body number stamped in the front inner tire well? |
John, I will definitely ask about it tomorrow. Thanks a lot for the heads up. |
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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johnshenry wrote: |
Door and side windows look like the '65 and later taller kind, so immediate suspect of a "cut in" rear window and dash. But the the easy question is, what is the body number stamped in the front inner tire well? |
hmm. interesting what JH said about side windows. In one picture it definitely looks like later but in another photo it doesn't. I dont think its s later car faked as a zwitter. it also has double lipped doors so they can I possibly be 65 doors. definitely can see in the new pictures that the hood is definitely later with late-model springs. if it's a fake to car they would've had to do a lot of reconstruction....
It does have a zwitter fuel tank. (but i know that doesnt prove anything) Definitely some fishy stuff, so like John said, The body # Stamp behind the spare tire will tell us everything. |
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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if these are photos you're taking from a video is there any footage that shows between the seats so we can verify if it has a heater knob behind the E brake handle.....
also correct me if I'm wrong but in the first photo she posted it showed there was no radio and I had a block off plate but the later for a show there some kind of radio mounted under the hood??
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Telephunken wrote: |
johnshenry wrote: |
Door and side windows look like the '65 and later taller kind, so immediate suspect of a "cut in" rear window and dash. But the the easy question is, what is the body number stamped in the front inner tire well? |
hmm. interesting what JH said about side windows. In one picture it definitely looks like later but in another photo it doesn't. I dont think its s later car faked as a zwitter. it also has double lipped doors so they can I possibly be 65 doors. definitely can see in the new pictures that the hood is definitely later with late-model springs. if it's a fake to car they would've had to do a lot of reconstruction....
It does have a zwitter fuel tank. (but i know that doesnt prove anything) Definitely some fishy stuff, so like John said, The body # Stamp behind the spare tire will tell us everything. |
Well on to get the info on that stamp it is.
Am I looking for a stamp like this as seen in the FAQ? This one below is an example not the actual on the car. sorry for the confusion.
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Telephunken wrote: |
if these are photos you're taking from a video is there any footage that shows between the seats so we can verify if it has a heater knob behind the E brake handle.....
also correct me if I'm wrong but in the first photo she posted it showed there was no radio and I had a block off plate but the later for a show there some kind of radio mounted under the hood?? |
Pictures are very crappy. In the video the shot starts on the right with the relays then top right (driver side) and then slowly moves leftward in the bay until the radio comes to view and then moves to the right again.
Now that I remember there may be something in between the seats. Let me check. |
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Jonnyla Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Rear engine tin is not a 36hp either it seams. Sorry if someone pointed that out and I missed it. _________________ '55 3 fold sedan, stock with lower stance (project)
'57 sedan, future old speed outlaw style (project) |
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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The picture you show is the generator stamp on the motor what John and I are talking about is the body stamp; it's behind the spare tire under the hood below the VIN plate, it looks like this....
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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PS. "8M" is august 57' so there's a good chance that that engine is later 36hp.... |
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Telephunken wrote: |
The picture you show is the generator stamp on the motor what John and I are talking about is the body stamp; it's behind the spare tire under the hood below the VIN plate, it looks like this....
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Got it! Thank you. I will be sure I get a pic of it tomorrow. Uploading pics in between seats although it was a fast glance. |
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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oldscooldude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Telephunken wrote: |
PS. "8M" is august 57' so there's a good chance that that engine is later 36hp.... |
Sorry for the confusion that pic is from the FAQ not the one on the actual car. I was just going through the FAQ earlier and reading up on components too. |
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Telephunken Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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although the picture is blurry, definitely looks like a zwitter heater knob between the seats... |
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favguy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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Something hooky going on here. The first pictures show the correct batwing steering wheel and no radio. The leter set show an incorrect later wheel and now there's a radio fitted!!?? Are these pictures all from the same car? |
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D. Haviland Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:58 am Post subject: Re: 1953 Zwitter? |
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If it is a zwitter, it is going to take a lot to make it correct. Tail light hight, hood, hood emblem, most likely hood handle, interior. Can't tell from pics , but what is the placement of the hood release handle? Is it far to the left? or in where it's easier to pull through steering wheel? |
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mkbug Samba Member
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