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kirk1015 Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2015 Posts: 281 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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I belong to a Facebook group for the MKVI Jetta GLI. On post I just read, the person was asking why their windshield fluid warning light
wasn't working or if VW cheapened out and deleted them in the late models.
My response was to open the hood and look at the reservoir and if it needed fluid to fill it up.
When did we become so reliant on tech in cars that we can't make sure they are
in working order?. I guess I'm just old fashioned considering I own an antique that I would even think of doing something like that. _________________ Jim Douglas....I am Not. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15299 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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The new cell phone generation wants everything done for them. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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been going on for years and years _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12466
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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My father in law has a model T it doesn't have that feature. Too primitive for the snowflakes. |
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6116 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Today I heard an ad for Toyota Rav4, all these features, all these warning systems that are "Standard" on the Rav4, every one of them seemed like some gadget that will fail & cost you $$$ at the dealer........ _________________ Tom
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I know you will always be with me, rest in peace with no more pain. 8/13/14.....
In the yard right now:
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'65 Bug
'66 Singlecab
'82 Rabbit Truck Diesel from CALI
'86 Doublecab W/T
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13846 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Like the self driving cars, so the texters, phone talkers can sit back and just ride and not pay atention. All of those extra features are for lazy people whom do not even read the owners manual. Glad I have the simple VW. Looking forward tot he EMP when the VW will still be driving around siphoning fuel. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76894 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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My neighbor just got a new Subaru Outback and needed help setting the clock. I had to find a video on Youtube to walk me through the 15 steps.
My 2016 Subaru has a up and down button next to the clock.
Her car also allows you to control a thousand other things like the time the defroster stays on, how long light stay on, getting and leaving messages and more stupid stuff. I told her to just use the default setting anf forget about them. _________________ Glenn
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Glenn wrote: |
My neighbor just got a new Subaru Outback and needed help setting the clock. I had to find a video on Youtube to walk me through the 15 steps.
My 2016 Subaru has a up and down button next to the clock.
Her car also allows you to control a thousand other things like the time the defroster stays on, how long light stay on, getting and leaving messages and more stupid stuff. I told her to just use the default setting anf forget about them. |
Changing time on our 2010 VW CC from Daylights saving time to standard time was intuitive on the MFI, select time, deselect daylight savings time.
Any interface that is not intuitive in a car or truck is just dangerous, my seats in the 2001 Passat are on manual because I can't f'ing hear chime for the memory function. _________________ Good Luck
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51118 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Well the clock buttons in my 85 F'nDodge van died some time in the late 90's, no big deal, be waiting at the fusebox at 11:59 and pull the clock fuse to reset it to 12:00, I'll bet that causes more issues with a new car than a correct clock is worth though.
As for the idiot lights that's not new either, I had a kid working for me in the 80's who asked me why his Mom's 66 beetle was making this fingernail on a chalkboard squeaking noise from the engine, the dipstick was bone dry . He said the oil light came on a couple days ago but he thought it just meant it needed a top up sooner or later, he chose to go on a 250 mile highway trip with it over the weekend and drive it to work on Monday too before he dealt with it. I'm afraid the diagnosis wasn't all that good and Mom was pissed!
Saw that car on Craigslist a 15-20 years later advertised as a "garage find" for serious money and had to go look for the entertainment value, no mention of engine work aside from maybe adding a few quarts, the dipstick was sparkly and it had an amazing knock as well as terminal rust. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76894 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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I have to admit that I love the rear camera. _________________ Glenn
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6591 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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I've always wanted to take a drill to those warning lights. When you pull back on the wiper and it doesn't spray your fluid is low. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12466
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Glenn wrote: |
I have to admit that I love the rear camera. |
My wife while using the backup camera on a new Prius actually backed into another car. It doesn’t show everything. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76894 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
I have to admit that I love the rear camera. |
My wife while using the backup camera on a new Prius actually backed into another car. It doesn’t show everything. |
Neither does a right side mirror, but it's a nice aid. _________________ Glenn
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Just curious, but how many threads are needed for the same group of old farts to whine about how cars are being ruined by technology? |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Lot's, the old fart's short term memories are not what they used to be
But just ask about how they could drive years ago without modern technology. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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sb001 wrote: |
maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76894 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Gary wrote: |
Just curious, but how many threads are needed for the same group of old farts to whine about how cars are being ruined by technology? |
Old people love to complain, we earned the right.
Now get off the grass. _________________ Glenn
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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Gary wrote: |
Just curious, but how many threads are needed for the same group of old farts to whine about how cars are being ruined by technology? |
That’s a valid question and if you are paying attention it always breaks the same way then it devolves into snarky political shit then EV cleans or locks the thread. Neat huh? |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2038 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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gt1953 wrote: |
Like the self driving cars, so the texters, phone talkers can sit back and just ride and not pay atention. All of those extra features are for lazy people whom do not even read the owners manual. Glad I have the simple VW. Looking forward tot he EMP when the VW will still be driving around siphoning fuel. |
Have you read an owner's manual for a car built within the last 15-20 years? They are for the most part useless anyway. Between the "hot things will burn you" legalese to the "take the vehicle to your authorized (fill in the blank) dealer" for every little thing they don't really tell you anything beyond how to turn on the A/C. I guess I am spoiled by my 50+ year old cars' manuals that actually give the owner some credit for basic intelligence. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21510 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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I have no issues with a lot of the new "systems" technology in the newer cars....as long as it is not a road distraction to use...and as long as it does cause a reliability problem.
You can read that as I have no interest in the info-tainment crap....but both my 2006 Jetta and my 2012 Golf have excellent systems.
Things I like:
1. The heat washer nozzles. Never thought those would be useful whatsoever...but if you live in snowy places like I have since 2008....it melts the snow away from the washer nozzle. So even when they are buried under packed snow under the cowl edge...you get working washers.
The washer tank level light....who cares. I check the washer fluid at the same time I check the oil every week when I fill up.
2. The "lamp out" warning light. While it does not tell you which lamp is out...it tells you one is out.I am religious about checking for burned out lights of any kind on my car.
The only flaw with it...I found on my Jetta. It works checking for changes in series resistance on several lighting circuits. During the daytime....it will not be checking your rear tail lights or main headlights. So if one breaks a filament you will not see the warning light until night when you turn on those lights. That is not the flaw.
The flaw is that the marker lights are such low resistance and low wattage bulbs...sometimes the quality of the bulb...sets off the warning lamp when nothing is burned out. It took me a while to find that one.
3. Heated mirrors and heated seats. Never thought I would need them...until I got them. I am fitting heated seats to my 412 when it gets back on the road...and since I work in the industry that prints the circuits for heated mirrors and the like...I will be working on heated stock mirrors as well.
Excellent tech!
Tire pressure monitors....don't need them....nothing but trouble. The ones my car has are too sensitive. On a cool morning...starting a long highway drive...like clockwork....at about the same mile marker the light goes on as the temp and tire pressure goes up.
4. Bluetooth...love it! There is NO EXCUSE...for any car that even has a basic radio to not have Bluetooth. You can install it for less than $100 on any car....and not for playing with your song lists and crap....but for keeping your eyes on the road and hand off your phone.
Built in GPS....no. I have not seen one console mounted system yet unless its all voice activated...that does not take your eyes off the road to program and adjust it.
If you have console/dash mounted GPS....it should be like the Blue tooth in the VW's. The car will not allow you to sync a phone or do major adjustments that require you to diddle with the phone...unless the car is stationary.
5. The hill holding feature. I have a 5 cylinder/five speed. I would have never thought I would need or even like a hill holding feature.
I did not even read the fine print...had no idea my Golf had one....until I was on my way home from picking the car up at the dealer. It works by using a program linked to the front anti-lock brake system and an internal clinometer. You brake...and when you take your foot off the brake...the front pads are locked for about 2 seconds or until the gas or clutch pedal move even the slightest amount. Very finely calibrated...works flawlessly!
The reason I like it....is because about 1 dozen times now....it has prevented me...even as a very skilled manual trans driver...from rolling backwards even the slightest amount on a very steep hill...when the usual high school dickhead in a large truck pulls up...seriously...about 4" from my rear bumper.
I dont care about dinging their POS...I just care about mine. Ray |
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plimthing Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2014 Posts: 278 Location: West Midlands UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Our reliance on Tech in new cars |
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i cant adjust clock in my 72 bay, I think the lever that moves the hands of the clock has broke off... and I didn't get a warning light telling me it had broke off either |
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