1969 Canadian spec Notchback project

[Volktales]

I am doing some work for a friend to get his Notchback on the road after sitting for about 15 years. It is a fuel injected automatic version and someone else in the past tried to get it running but was not successful. They threw away the original fuel pump and installed one that looks like from a later injected bus. I have the proper replacement for this, but have a question regarding the fuel tank spigot. The outlet on the tank has been replaced and it is smaller diameter then the return spigot. A carburetor style fuel filter was used as an adapter to "step-up" the line to the correct size for the pump inlet. The question is what size was the original spigot supposed to be? I have my own '69 Fastback, and would check on it, but it is not very accessible at the moment...
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[KTPhil]

We now use 5/16" hose on all parts of the FI system, so I assume the spigots are likewise the same. Originally, that would be 8mm.

[Volktales]

Ok then, does this look like it should work?


https://www.cip1.ca/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C31%2D298%2D221%2D113A


Is this a direct screw on replacement??? Looks like it should.


Also it turns out the replacement used 3 port pump will not function. Did a dig through some spare parts and turned up 3 more, and 2 of them worked electrically, but would not pump anything despite being primed .

Research on here indicates many have used the Airtex E2000 pump successfully. Someone indicated that maybe the E8228 would be a better bet as it uses barbed 5/16" fittings. This pump produces higher pressure then the E2000, and has anyone fitted it successfully and verified it works fine??? This pump is listed as a universal replacement for any multi port injection systems... Thanks for your response...
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[Donnie strickland]

I don't know if that spigot will work or not.

The E2000 pump is what I'm using. You can put any kind of fittings you like on it; I just used what it came with.

The pump produces fuel volume, not pressure. You make the pressure by restricting the flow, by means of the fuel pressure regulator. The E2000 has no problem keeping up.
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71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback

[Volktales]

So before committing to buying a new pump, I thought I would have a fiddle with the old ones to see what went wrong.

All four are the later 3 port design. The check valve was stuck in both of the two pumps that would electrically run. The other two pumps were seized due to internal rust.

I was able to un-stick the check valve with a small pic, and worked it back and forth until it was nice and free. The pumps still would not output any fluid even though they both ran. Please note that I could not use gasoline for testing purposes in my basement. I tried using ATF for safety reasons. Could the incorrect fluid contribute to not allowing the check valve to shuttle over and allow outflow? Perhaps the operating rpm too low with the thicker fluid??? The battery was fully charged but maybe the current flow through the jumper wires were not enough??? The one pump looks like it did not have much use, but still would not pump anything out, although there seemed to be suction in. I did prime these pumps, and later almost submerged them in ATF, but still no luck. Any ideas???
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[Donnie strickland]

You're wasting your time, in my opinion.

Even if you could get one pumping there's no guarantee it would pump tomorrow, and it's going to start leaking gas anyway. And I certainly wouldn't trust a crusty old used pump in my car.

Just buy a new one.
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71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback

[Volktales]

Actually I was playing with these pumps for my own amusement... I will be getting a new design one anyway...
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[ataraxia]

[Bobnotch]

[Volktales]

Still picking away at this project, thanks for the help so far. The car is now up and running again with an equivalent to the Airtex Ranger pump installed. This seems to be working well, although I am not able to drive the car just yet. Two questions this time. What is this and where does it go???

Also has anyone installed fibreglass front fenders on their Type 3 from this company? https://www.glass-action.com/ My friend that owns this car is considering this as all used fenders we have found so far are crapola...

Thanks for any info...
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[Volktales]

The new fibreglass fenders are on order. I will comment on how they fit when they arrive in a few weeks...
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[Volktales]

So this project has been continuing...

This VW turned out to have last ran about 18 years ago. A shop had tried to get it up and running around ten years ago but lost interest. Why it did not run properly turned out to be a mixture of several things, primarily fuel contaminated with water. The tank was choked with rust, as was the fuel pump and filler neck. Luckily the lines were clear as well as the injectors. The air distributor manifold was missing as well. All the fuel lines and vacuum lines were replaced...

The original distributor was nasty, with the most damaged lobes I have ever seen. This thing must have ate points constantly. I had several Type 3 distributors to choose from for parts, but none were compatible with this automatic trans spec distributor...

I chose to do a Pertronix conversion to get around this. As I had one on hand, this was the easiest option at the time.

Lots of things done under the tank. New master cylinder, lines, flex hoses, and reservoir hoses were all replaced. The new fuel pump (equivalent to the commonly mentioned Airtex unit) was plumbed into position. All fuel hose was the Gates Barricade, with injection type clamps installed. The tank itself was a good used replacement, and a used gauge sender was repaired and installed. New bushing for the steering dampner as well...

Was kind of neat to see the M-codes still intact. They indicate the installation of the automatic, gas heater, and cold start equipment. Don't know what the "S-code" means however...
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[Jason37]

That car is pretty much a twin to mine, Perugren, auto, gas heater, 69, although I wish mine was in that good of shape when I found it. Keep up the good work and post more pics!

[Volktales]

Some interior improvements were carried out as well. The badly cracked dash pad was replaced with a much better used one the owner had in his stash. The instrument bezels were stripped, de-rusted, and repainted at the same time.

While waiting for the replacement fiberglass fenders to arrive, I thought I would have a go at polishing the badly faded paint. It is slowly coming back, but is a lot of work!

This angle shows it better. Once cleaned and polished, this paint will be scanned to try to get the best match for the fenders. A decent set of bumpers has been put together utilizing bits and pieces from several damaged sets.

This was a lucky find! Underneath some ancient filthy seat covers, were almost mint condition seats! And they are cloth as well. I have only ever seen the vinyl on these before.

The fronts were just as good too. Just a slight bit of sun fade, which likely prompted the original owner to put the covers on in the first place. Apparently the original owner worked for one of the main VW dealers in the office, and she ordered this car exactly as she wanted it. No radio and cloth seats were specified. She must have liked it as it was her only car for the next 32 years...

Looking forward to finally driving this Notch soon!
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

[andybla]

Good luck! nice color!

[BSQUARE]

[69 Notchback]

keep up the good work. Love EFI 69 notchbacks!!!!

[ataraxia]

[Bobnotch]

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