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KentABQ 
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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The kindly folk at Airhead Parts warranty everything they sell.
Conceivably, you could just buy their cheapest window crank and send it back for a free replacement every year or so (but only if you were a turd). |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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The very first chrome and black ones that Robbie posted....are knock offs of the original and are plastic all around except for the pot metal spar inside.
The original...the chrome parts were metal...and they last a long time. So if you can find some "real" ones used....that helps.
As wcfvw69 noted....if your winder mechanism and glass guides are in poor shape, filthy and have not been lubed...you will break any of them except maybe the aluminum or billet parts.
Also...if you do not occasionally check the tightness of the screw holding it to the winder shaft....as it gets loose...it causes such poor misalignment that even on well lubed winder mechanisms you can break the winder handle or strip the splines.
All ACVW have this winder issue. I have had few problems with most of the cheap ones either ...once I really cleaned and lubed the window lift parts.
Also...one of the hardest things on ANY of the handles and the mechanism...is not having the handle "clocked" properly when you install it....so that when fully rolled up in a hurry you are not slamming the handle up hard to the stop in the winder mechanism from being somewhere at the highest point of torque. Ray |
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russwiththebus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| What is the correct clock position for the handle when the window is rolled all the way up? |
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igotta40
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Wildthings
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| I picked up a handle from NAPA a couple of years back. Seemed to be beefy enough. It was like 12 bucks so not that cheap. So far so good. |
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wcfvw69
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| What is the correct clock position for the handle when the window is rolled all the way up? |
I've always put the handle in the horizontal position towards the windshield with the window up. It keeps it away from my knees.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| What is the correct clock position for the handle when the window is rolled all the way up? |
It depends on the car and seat position relative to the door.
But.....in my type 3 and 4 cars.....its right between 4 and 5 O'clock.
If the handle is standing at 12:00.....when closed....it can be a more awkward poaition to reach and get a grip on. When its at 6:00.....I had a tendency to break handles because when its fully closed....its at the bottom of the powerstroke.....and you hit bottom with enough force that your hand slips off the knob as well.
Between 3 and 5 is one of the weakest spots in your hand stroke.
It will also depend on how long your arms or or how.....height challenged.... you are and how close you are to the wheel.
Do not be afraid to adjust it for YOU...so you put less force on it when it its full open or closed ....and you will break less handles.
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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I always put them at 1:30, just to keep them as far away from my knees as possible.
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airkooledchris
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From experience, what can 'contribute' to any window crank handle breaking is a hard to roll up window. Examples that cause this are the window regulators are not adjusted correctly. New glass felts are not seated all the way in the door. The window regulator mechanism is not cleaned of the 40 plus years of dirt/junk and old grease and then re lubricated.
After rebuilding my drivers door mechanism and insuring I did all the above, the window was still not rolling up and down very easily. I used good replacement parts as well. I still don't think the best "new" window felts are as correct as the original VW ones. I broke a couple of window winders handles too.
I then bought a can of silicone spray. I sprayed all the felt channels. I rolled the window up so the silicone would get on the glass in the channels as well. I then let the silicone dry and set up. It made the glass slide in the felts channels 100% easier. The window goes up and down almost perfectly. |
This is good info. My windows can be a PITA to roll up and I snap handles about once a year or so. |
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hazetguy
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handy tip #241: since handles are inexpensive (unless you buy the ridiculously priced ones), buy a couple extras with your next parts order, and keep spares in your glovebox. this way, if one breaks while out and about, you can replace the broken one easily and quickly at your next stop.
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Tram
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| wcfvw69 wrote: |
From experience, what can 'contribute' to any window crank handle breaking is a hard to roll up window. Examples that cause this are the window regulators are not adjusted correctly. New glass felts are not seated all the way in the door. The window regulator mechanism is not cleaned of the 40 plus years of dirt/junk and old grease and then re lubricated.
After rebuilding my drivers door mechanism and insuring I did all the above, the window was still not rolling up and down very easily. I used good replacement parts as well. I still don't think the best "new" window felts are as correct as the original VW ones. I broke a couple of window winders handles too.
I then bought a can of silicone spray. I sprayed all the felt channels. I rolled the window up so the silicone would get on the glass in the channels as well. I then let the silicone dry and set up. It made the glass slide in the felts channels 100% easier. The window goes up and down almost perfectly. |
This is good info. My windows can be a PITA to roll up and I snap handles about once a year or so. |
Some suppliers are beginning to furnish a "Porsche style" channel that's a thin covering of felt on a rubber rather than metal channel. They suck! The channel is just a little thicker against the bottom of the window run and it grabs the window making it really tough to wind no matter how you adjust things.
The last Bus rubber kit I got had one of each style. After the "new" style finally yanked the window out of the channel on the regulator I discovered the issue, ordered a metal/ felt replacement, installed it, glued the window back into the regulator, and voila= no more problems.
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I got some channels from CIP a few years ago that were purposely designed to sell more cranks, they looked just like the OG ones with the fuzz on the fabric backing, but they faded to whitish grey in a month and now have become sticky and grab onto the glass in a day regardless of how much silicone I shoot in there.
The one I got last year from them was smooth rubber and (so far) slides much better, I really should log the brands when I install replacement parts so I know what to avoid.
As for cranks I hoard up on the OG ones with the thick double wire arms at every swap, there's gold in the bottom of those dollar boxes 
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| Tram wrote: |
| airkooledchris wrote: |
| wcfvw69 wrote: |
From experience, what can 'contribute' to any window crank handle breaking is a hard to roll up window. Examples that cause this are the window regulators are not adjusted correctly. New glass felts are not seated all the way in the door. The window regulator mechanism is not cleaned of the 40 plus years of dirt/junk and old grease and then re lubricated.
After rebuilding my drivers door mechanism and insuring I did all the above, the window was still not rolling up and down very easily. I used good replacement parts as well. I still don't think the best "new" window felts are as correct as the original VW ones. I broke a couple of window winders handles too.
I then bought a can of silicone spray. I sprayed all the felt channels. I rolled the window up so the silicone would get on the glass in the channels as well. I then let the silicone dry and set up. It made the glass slide in the felts channels 100% easier. The window goes up and down almost perfectly. |
This is good info. My windows can be a PITA to roll up and I snap handles about once a year or so. |
Some suppliers are beginning to furnish a "Porsche style" channel that's a thin covering of felt on a rubber rather than metal channel. They suck! The channel is just a little thicker against the bottom of the window run and it grabs the window making it really tough to wind no matter how you adjust things.
The last Bus rubber kit I got had one of each style. After the "new" style finally yanked the window out of the channel on the regulator I discovered the issue, ordered a metal/ felt replacement, installed it, glued the window back into the regulator, and voila= no more problems. |
The type 4 cars have those type of window channels. They are really nice. I have been working on replacing mine. Researching materials. Ray |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| Tram wrote: |
| airkooledchris wrote: |
| wcfvw69 wrote: |
From experience, what can 'contribute' to any window crank handle breaking is a hard to roll up window. Examples that cause this are the window regulators are not adjusted correctly. New glass felts are not seated all the way in the door. The window regulator mechanism is not cleaned of the 40 plus years of dirt/junk and old grease and then re lubricated.
After rebuilding my drivers door mechanism and insuring I did all the above, the window was still not rolling up and down very easily. I used good replacement parts as well. I still don't think the best "new" window felts are as correct as the original VW ones. I broke a couple of window winders handles too.
I then bought a can of silicone spray. I sprayed all the felt channels. I rolled the window up so the silicone would get on the glass in the channels as well. I then let the silicone dry and set up. It made the glass slide in the felts channels 100% easier. The window goes up and down almost perfectly. |
This is good info. My windows can be a PITA to roll up and I snap handles about once a year or so. |
Some suppliers are beginning to furnish a "Porsche style" channel that's a thin covering of felt on a rubber rather than metal channel. They suck! The channel is just a little thicker against the bottom of the window run and it grabs the window making it really tough to wind no matter how you adjust things.
The last Bus rubber kit I got had one of each style. After the "new" style finally yanked the window out of the channel on the regulator I discovered the issue, ordered a metal/ felt replacement, installed it, glued the window back into the regulator, and voila= no more problems. |
The type 4 cars have those type of window channels. They are really nice. I have been working on replacing mine. Researching materials. Ray |
I could see it working OK on a Type 4 because it doesn't have a wind wing and therefore the window isn't in full contact with that channel on both sides till it's closed. The problem on a Bus is that the design is too thick on the bottom of the channel and the whole length of the glass drags on it all the way up and down.
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Hoody
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| There are a shit load of used original window cranks on here and ebay. Why the hell would anyone buy a new Chinese piece of shit for 10 bucks when the original used ones are about the same price? If your not a purist a lot of the original VW window cranks will work. Same with the Porshe 914 cranks. Don't waste your money on new ones.....unless they are nos German or Brazil VW. |
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ROCKOROD71
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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The very first chrome and black ones that Robbie posted....are knock offs of the original and are plastic all around except for the pot metal spar inside.
The original...the chrome parts were metal...and they last a long time. So if you can find some "real" ones used....that helps.
As wcfvw69 noted....if your winder mechanism and glass guides are in poor shape, filthy and have not been lubed...you will break any of them except maybe the aluminum or billet parts.
Also...if you do not occasionally check the tightness of the screw holding it to the winder shaft....as it gets loose...it causes such poor misalignment that even on well lubed winder mechanisms you can break the winder handle or strip the splines.
All ACVW have this winder issue. I have had few problems with most of the cheap ones either ...once I really cleaned and lubed the window lift parts.
Also...one of the hardest things on ANY of the handles and the mechanism...is not having the handle "clocked" properly when you install it....so that when fully rolled up in a hurry you are not slamming the handle up hard to the stop in the winder mechanism from being somewhere at the highest point of torque. Ray |
This is exactly what I did. Swap meet. $5, the chrome polished up too.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Best replacement window crank |
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| What is the correct clock position for the handle when the window is rolled all the way up? |
It depends on the car and seat position relative to the door.
Between 3 and 5 is one of the weakest spots in your hand stroke.
Do not be afraid to adjust it for YOU... |
let's take a different approach to this question.
there is no "correct" position. typically, in original vehicles and/or in vw photos, the crank is often at the 2 o'clock position when looking at it head on on the driver's side, about 10 o'clock on the passenger side, that being with a slight angle upward when the window is closed. based on that generalizaion:
depending on how many turns of the handle it takes to get the window to the full down position, and where the handle ends up might be a larger issue than where the handle is in the window full up position..
some people like to drive or be passengers with their knees propped against the door panel. if the handle is clocked to a downward or downward-facing-forward position when the window is down, it could become a nuisance, or your knee could bust the handle. in this case, it might be better to experiment by changing the handle to a 'comfortable' location when in the window fully down position, and then roll the window up to see where the handle ends up in the window fully up position. perhaps it would be in a good location for your personal preference, perhaps not. if it is, great. if not, you will have to decide a good middle ground where the handle is in a good clocking position in both the window up and window down position.
it might take a few attempts to get it in the perfect position for your preferences.
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