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Agarden7 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2017 Posts: 19 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:54 am Post subject: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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Hey guys, Ive searched for everything related but couldn't find my same problem. 1967 Square.
Two nights ago, I lost my gas gauge and turn signals. The gas gauge needle dropped all the way down and is sitting on the housing essentially. Also my turn signals no longer flash in the dash or on the exterior of the car. The wipers work, headlights work and shows the indicator light in the same gauge. Hope this is a simple fix. Does anyone know what caused that? Thank you all so much! |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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Probably the gauge case isn't grounding well. Some have a dedicated ground wire, I think, while others ground through the pair of leaf springs that hold it in the dash receptacle. I'd try adding a temporary jumper wire as a ground and see if that makes things work. If so, remove the gauge and work up a permanent ground wire. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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It's possible that the black wire from the back of the unit came off the fuse box. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5998 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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I suspect bob is on the right track but if what he said is the case, then also the oil and generator lights wouldn't be working either. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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sjbartnik wrote: |
I suspect bob is on the right track but if what he said is the case, then also the oil and generator lights wouldn't be working either. |
Without studying the diagram more carefully, it may be possible for some circuits (bulbs, gauge) to find ground through the filaments of other bulbs that are not grounding correctly, sort of like the rear light assemblies on the fenders.
But I'd try the temporary ground jumper first and see what happens. |
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blues90 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2009 Posts: 1912 Location: Hollywood ,CA
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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I only have a Bentley. Latest wiring is 68 .
If it was sudden and everything worked before you are going to need to find the grounds and power that supply those circuits . Check at the fuse box just to see if any connectors look suspect . The bulbs in the fuel gauge housing don't draw much current , the gauge and turn lights do.
I'd check the fuse box , drop it down and take a look . The fuses at the hot side with the fuse out are before the fuse and some are bridged where two to three fuses get power from the same source then the fused side goes to each fused component . If for any reason there is an issue with the fuse box it can cause a sudden loss.
If you have a wiring diagram for a 67 it should show which fuses bridge.
If it were a ground I can't see it affecting all the outside turn lamps, most of those grounds are near each lamp .
My advice is disconnect the battery and drop the fuse box and have a good look. It's at least a starting point. |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5998 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Without studying the diagram more carefully, it may be possible for some circuits (bulbs, gauge) to find ground through the filaments of other bulbs that are not grounding correctly, sort of like the rear light assemblies on the fenders.
But I'd try the temporary ground jumper first and see what happens. |
I agree with that; the only problem I see with that theory in this case is that there is only one power supply to that pod - a single black wire from fuse box that, via internal bus, powers the oil light, generator light, turn signal light, and fuel gauge.
The only things in there that have separate power sources are the high beam warning light (which works - powered by a tie in to one of the wires that runs to one of the high beam filaments) and the parking light warning light (powered via a lead from the headlight switch).
On re-reading OP's post, I caught a detail I missed the first time - turn signals no longer work (not just the indicator) so I think there is more going on here. The turn signals would still work just fine even if the power feed to the fuel gauge pod was cut.
Looking at the diagram, it's worth noting that the power to the flasher relay comes off the same fuse in the fuse box as does the power feed to the fuel gauge pod. The difference is that the flasher power comes out after the fuse while the fuel gauge feed comes out before the fuse (i.e. power to the fuel gauge pod is not fused).
Might be time to pull the fuse box down and see what's going on around fuse 9.
OP can you clarify more what works and what doesn't?
Do the emergency flashers work? (uses same flasher relay but has a separate power source)
Do the oil & gen lights work? _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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sqbk1971 Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 134 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Gauge and Turn Signals Stopped Working |
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Check for a blown fuse. |
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