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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Brown/tan is the color VW uses for ground wires. A white wire can also end up looking tan with age.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Doing some house cleaning while I wait for my GS order. Going back to an earlier post, can anyone identify the tan wire that is bundled with the oil pressure and booster fan wire?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

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Ok, at the very least, these connections will be cleaned well. Any products I can put on them that will keep conductivity but hold off rust?


Some people have a fit because of the name "dielectric" grease believing that it will keep the electrical contacts from passing electricity. It is designed to prevent oxidation and to stay on the contacts at high temperature and is sold for the purpose of coating electrical contacts and promoting the flow of electricity. I have been using it for decades at this point in time on light bulb bases and all sorts of automotive connects and have never had it prevent the flow of electricity.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

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Ok, at the very least, these connections will be cleaned well. Any products I can put on them that will keep conductivity but hold off rust?

Dielectric grease available at all auto parts stores. Some manufacturers call it bulb grease.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Ok, at the very least, these connections will be cleaned well. Any products I can put on them that will keep conductivity but hold off rust?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

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While you have the top accessible, remove the triple ground connection (where the three white wires attach) and clean all those points shiny and clean. That is a PITA to get to when needed, and rarely remembered since its buried.


At the stage the OP is at, he could easily relocate the grounding point to somewhere with better access. I have seen a bolt brazed to the top of the #4 intake runner for this purpose.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

While you have the top accessible, remove the triple ground connection (where the three white wires attach) and clean all those points shiny and clean. That is a PITA to get to when needed, and rarely remembered since its buried.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Look what I did...

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Waiting on my intake sleeves and decided to disassemble and clean up the top of the engine. Any tips for getting it clean, without getting dirt in 'sensitive' spots? I was thinking a wirebrush and shopvac... Hope it goes back together without any parts left over!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

No pinch, gotcha. Injector rings were changed with the injectors, so all good there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

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So after some invaluable assistance from Scott at German Supply, I'm ready to order a number of vac/re-circulation parts. I will also be replacing the intake sleeves. One question I have is; since I'll be pulling the runners off and replacing the intake gaskets to do this, is there anything else I should be looking into at this point?


Make sure the tin doesn't pinched under the intake gasket when you go back together. I assume you are getting new seals for the injectors while you are at it? Check for wiggle in the plastic part of the Cold Start Valve. Wiggle indicates a fuel leak is imminent.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

So after some invaluable assistance from Scott at German Supply, I'm ready to order a number of vac/re-circulation parts. I will also be replacing the intake sleeves. One question I have is; since I'll be pulling the runners off and replacing the intake gaskets to do this, is there anything else I should be looking into at this point?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Rebuilding type 4's in '77? These couldn't have been that old... could they?

Only the one valve was out, probably not a very good pic. Should have seen the smoke when it fired up! Nothing like opening all the doors in -20c!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

I see the gap on number three intake, am I wrong?

That's good news as the exhausts are the ones that break and kill a good engine, otherwise.

I spent the famous 77 blizzard rebuilding three Type 4 engines in Buffalo...too bad I ca not get over there. I think this Nor' Easter will miss you guys though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Well, I adjusted all of the other valves and put it back together. I tried starting it and it definitely runs on more cylinders than it was previously. Doesn't last long, but it did respond to the gas pedal before dieing. I guess it's time to start investing in the vacuum lines now. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

If the engine hasn't been run in a long time it is fairly common for carbon that has built up in the intake port to fall down and end up holding the valve open. If this is you problem it will clear itself up in a minute or two of running. I would not readjust the valve that is being held open for now, but run the engine first and see what happens.

I went through this myself about 4 years back when I stuffed an engine that had been sitting for decades into my 77. It had had okay compression when I had turned the engine over by hand to see what I had, but when I went to start it it would not fire up and the engine cracked really fast indicating there was little or no compression. I kept cranking in short burst between letting the starter cool a bit and eventually one cylinder started to hit, and then another. Within two minutes of when the first cylinder hit the engine was sitting there purring on all four.

Your problem sounds to be with an exhaust valve though, so maybe this wouldn't apply.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

So I just finished removing the rocker arms and measuring the valves. One 1&2, everything seems level. On 3&4, the one closest to the front is in further than the other three, indicating that it may be open a little bit. Knowing that this engine has been sitting for sometime, what are the possibilities that it just has some carbon or something sitting in there that may shake loose and pass? What are my options now? Do I finish with a valve adjustment and see if it'll run?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Ok, I've got articles in hand and will attempt a valve adjustment (hopefully) tonight. I'll report back with what I find.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Here is a really great wealth of information:

http://www.ratwell.com/technical/FAQ.html

http://type2.com/library/electrip.htm#5
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Ok, I will have to attempt a valve adjustment then. I didn't have much luck with a compression test earlier, i will have to try again. The engine doesn't run currently, so I can't pull a wire to test for dead cylinders, although my spark-tester is showing good on all cylinders.

I just now checked my points and regapped my plugs. Now it backfires a few times before dieing. Are the points supposed to close before the TDC #1 mark on the dist? Mine looks to close early and open right after passing this mark. Is this correct?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing Reply with quote

Goach2 wrote:
One other question I do have:

Is there any way to tell if a cylinder is firing or not? This is my first VW, so I can't say if it sounds normal or not?

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Sounds like you have a valve that either isn't closing or is burnt.

Do a valve adjustment and then a compression test. Make sure all the pushrods are properly seated. It could be that you have a valve seized in its guide because of old gummy gas, this could have bend a pushrod or if the piston hit the valve, bent the valve.

Turning the engine over two complete revolutions by hand will tell you if you have zero compression in one of the cylinders, you should be able to easily tell that one or more cylinders are different from the rest.

To answer your question you can loosen the four spark plug wires going into the cap and with the engine running remove them one at a time which will kill the corresponding cylinder.
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